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Shotgun_



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Big imbalance

Anyone noticed there is a race that totally sucks, and a really dominant race here? I won't mention which ones or units why as i don't want it to turn into that discussion, let me know which races you think im talking about. Do not post why.
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Post Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:14 am 
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foonat



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no because there isn't

Post Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:22 am 
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Sypher



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Depends greatly on skill level. And since I feel it is stupid to post my answer without explanation, I am going to.

I feel in the lower/mid skill level range, zerg is severely lacking because they require the most mechanics to execute properly.
-Constantly spreading creep
-Managing larva correctly
-scouting
- flanking
-inject larva
-etc
It is just a lot of stuff to do for someone who isn't insanely fast.

At the same skill level, I feel as though Terran is the easiest to execute. A low skilled player can get by relatively easy by just 1a2aing their army.

Protoss is sort of caught in the middle. They got really powerful units, but they cost a shit load of resources/supply. They are also a more micro oriented race. (Collosus, high temps, blinking stalkers, etc)

The biggest problem I have between the races is the macro mechanics for each race. Zerg has larva inject, which is extremely punishing. If you miss a larva inject, you can't make up for it. However, with protoss and terran, you can make up for missed macro since there is no cool down involved with mule and chrono.

At high level play, I feel the races are pretty balanced. As meta game changes, this could change as well, though. We have only scratched the surface of strategy in SC2.

Also, ZvZ is absolutely brutal. Worst MU in RTS history.
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Post Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:25 am 
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Rat



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protoss > zerg

every other matchup feels ok.
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Post Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:23 pm 
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terran>toss>zerg
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Post Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:42 pm 
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foonat



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can already tell you two are bads

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7VlesSiah



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Tweedledum!!

It took me 15 years to find the biggest idiot in war2, Foonat.
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Post Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:18 pm 
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quote:
Originally posted by Rat
protoss > zerg

every other matchup feels ok.


PvZ is probably the most balanced match up in the game. Only real cheese is 4 warpgate all in, which is easily stopped if you scout it and throw up 4-5 crawlers and get your hydras out at proper time.
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Post Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:41 pm 
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foonat



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saying one race is > another means you're bad and don't know or understand the game, sorry. look at what sypher wrote, that is a much more accurate description of the state of race balance atm

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Rat



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it was a simple and true statement, but of course not covering all allspect of the game just like author of this thread wanted.
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Post Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:27 pm 
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7VlesSiah



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In general I think terran is the best, then toss then zerg. Reason is because Terran dominates Zerg. That better foonat? Dumb cunt.
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Post Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:08 pm 
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quote:
Originally posted by 7VlesSiah
In general I think terran is the best, then toss then zerg. Reason is because Terran dominates Zerg. That better foonat? Dumb cunt.
no it isn't because everything you said is wrong

on a more relevant note, i have been getting matched up quite a bit (half my games) against protoss, seems to be popular at the moment

Post Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:31 pm 
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i think it comes down to zerg being more difficult to play effectively than the other two races, with terran being the "easiest" to play. at high levels, they are very even

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So zerg/terran is equal match up? Great. Why do you even bother to post?

First post in the thread sort of sums things up. You are the asshole he was afraid of when he made his post.
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Post Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:45 pm 
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what are you crying about now retard

i answered the question in the second post, then elaborated as the thread went on

Post Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:17 pm 
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quote:
Originally posted by foonat
on a more relevant note, i have been getting matched up quite a bit (half my games) against protoss, seems to be popular at the moment


Seems like all my games are vs Terran or Zerg. I wish I got matched vs more toss. I love that matchup.
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Post Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:51 pm 
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interesting. i was browsing nerzy's division today (it's more competitive than mine) and 9 of the top 10 are toss

personally i play toss and i hate PvP =( i kind of want to learn zerg and start playing random

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losta newbie talk in here Surprised

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Orcs suck.
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quote:
Originally posted by foonat
interesting. i was browsing nerzy's division today (it's more competitive than mine) and 9 of the top 10 are toss

personally i play toss and i hate PvP =( i kind of want to learn zerg and start playing random


Zerg is pretty fun, except for the ZvZ matchup. I am getting pretty decent and countering mass baneling with a 15 hatch 14 pool build. I just don't gas and get two crawlers and park my queens on my ramp. Usually forces a macro game, which I am a bit more comfortable with.

I have got into some pretty funny situations with that build. Lots of people drop banelings after 1 or 2 fails and go 1 base muta. Since I get my gas so late (mid 20's), I have to pump out like 5 queens to defend before getting my hydras out. Mass Transfuse ftw! From there I just roach hydra with a couple infestors and out macro.
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Post Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:09 pm 
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From my experience, 90% of players are using toss, 8 % Terran, 2 % Zerg. Zerg just seem bad.
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quote:
Originally posted by Shotgun_
From my experience, 90% of players are using toss, 8 % Terran, 2 % Zerg. Zerg just seem bad.
yea but this doesn't necessarily mean toss are the best race Razz

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foonat



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i'm 5-7 today dropped from 6 in division to 20, w00t

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the best part is when playing random, every race you play is imbalanced

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I have a hard time with ZvP matchups, and I always choose random, which so far has had me as zerg 8 out of 9 times or something

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