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Shotgun_



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Current Race Balance

I'm probably bias, from my perspective i'd say -

Zerg Vs Terran - Zerg has the edge particularly on larger maps, close spawn gives terran a small advantage

Zerg Vs Protoss - Toss imbalanced @ max supply pretty heavily

Protoss Vs Terran - Pretty even, terran has to have good army comp to deal with what the toss has (opposite to popular belief), Max supply i'd say Toss has advantage
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Post Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:24 am 
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Sparkz102



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Re: Current Race Balance

quote:
Originally posted by Shotgun_
I'm probably bias, from my perspective i'd say -

Zerg Vs Terran - Zerg has the edge particularly on larger maps, close spawn gives terran a small advantage

Zerg Vs Protoss - Toss imbalanced @ max supply pretty heavily

Protoss Vs Terran - Pretty even, terran has to have good army comp to deal with what the toss has (opposite to popular belief), Max supply i'd say Toss has advantage


have u seen some of the new gsl maps?
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Post Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:35 pm 
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Picka_materina



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Newb input.
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Post Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:30 pm 
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Shotgun_



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1on1 ?
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Post Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:17 am 
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rofl newbgun
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Post Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:54 am 
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turtleman@can



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I think it really just depends in zvp - I think this is the most fun/interesting matchup in the game for me. I find I usually win pretty badly because most toss players don't know how to play their race beyond either 4 gating or doing some stupid huge econ FE/collosus/VR build - which I counter hard with mutas.
But when I play somebody who knows what they're doing and can flow with me the games are pretty awesome.

zvt is imbalanced to say the least. I'm not even going to go into detail since it's pretty common knowledge among the community/pro gamers. However I feel like I'm improving on this - it's just a hard matchup to learn as zerg and requires you to play at an insanely high level to beat an average terran player.

Post Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:16 pm 
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AGNB



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Easy.

1 - P
2 - T
3 - Z

2 Zerg players in top 20 NA. There is no argument for them being OP.

Post Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:34 pm 
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quote:
Originally posted by turtleman@can
I think it really just depends in zvp - I think this is the most fun/interesting matchup in the game for me. I find I usually win pretty badly because most toss players don't know how to play their race beyond either 4 gating or doing some stupid huge econ FE/collosus/VR build - which I counter hard with mutas.
But when I play somebody who knows what they're doing and can flow with me the games are pretty awesome.

zvt is imbalanced to say the least. I'm not even going to go into detail since it's pretty common knowledge among the community/pro gamers. However I feel like I'm improving on this - it's just a hard matchup to learn as zerg and requires you to play at an insanely high level to beat an average terran player.


PHOENIX!!! Smile
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Post Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:42 pm 
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7VlesSiah



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quote:
Originally posted by AGNB
Easy.

1 - P
2 - T
3 - Z

2 Zerg players in top 20 NA. There is no argument for them being OP.


Hard to argue toss are the best given ratio is in top tournies and ladders is 0.5 terran to 0.25 toss to 0.25 Zerg. Terrans gotta stfu already.
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Post Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:16 pm 
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Messiah you dont even play anymore, you cant make balance comments based on how many people use what race. As for Zerg, i dont really think its common knowledge that TvZ is still imba, ive spoken to alot of really good players who all think Z has the edge now on larger maps, and from my playing experience i would have to agree

PS. Noted Picka_matera dodges 1on1s
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Post Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:36 am 
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Picka_materina



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quote:
Originally posted by Shotgun_
Messiah you dont even play anymore, you cant make balance comments based on how many people use what race. As for Zerg, i dont really think its common knowledge that TvZ is still imba, ive spoken to alot of really good players who all think Z has the edge now on larger maps, and from my playing experience i would have to agree

PS. Noted Picka_matera dodges 1on1s

More newb input.

Also, keep making fake challenges since we're on different realms.
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Post Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:53 am 
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Shotgun_



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You're not on the North american realm?
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Post Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:06 pm 
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Picka_materina



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Re: Current Race Balance

quote:
Originally posted by Shotgun_
I'm probably bias, from my perspective i'd say -

Zerg Vs Terran - Zerg has the edge particularly on larger maps, close spawn gives terran a small advantage

Zerg Vs Protoss - Toss imbalanced @ max supply pretty heavily

Protoss Vs Terran - Pretty even, terran has to have good army comp to deal with what the toss has (opposite to popular belief), Max supply i'd say Toss has advantage

Just how newb this input is.
win ratio by blizzard:
pvt 41%
pvz 45%
tvz 53%
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Post Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:43 pm 
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Shotgun_



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Keep dodging and post stats for current patch only
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Post Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:53 pm 
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Picka_materina



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quote:
Originally posted by Picka_materina
keep making fake challenges since we're on different realms.

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Post Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:44 pm 
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Shotgun_



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I've got access to a name on every realm, what realm are you on? Let me know a time, or you can keep quoting yourself if u want to continue to dodge infront of everyone
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Post Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:58 pm 
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Picka_materina



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Can i play on smurf name also then? Since you're known for lying, pretty sure if something does not go as you plan you'll say it was not you.
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Post Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:55 pm 
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Shotgun_



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lmfao are you serious? this is one huge dodge you're driving here

PS. Name one thing i've lied about

PPS. Nice dodge newb LOLOLOLOOLOLOL
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Post Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:42 am 
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Picka_materina



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quote:
Originally posted by Shotgun_
PS. Name one thing i've lied about


1. I'm being towered
2. I'm rich
3. I'm 100000:0 vs almost every forum user that ever posted anything here, even when there's warvids, you're still 100000:0 vs them.

just to name a few.
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Post Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:47 am 
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Shotgun_



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1. I really was being towered, so i wasnt really lying
2. Never said i was rich, but i'm well off
3. I bet i'd beat you 10-0 on war2

PS. NICE DODGE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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Post Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:54 am 
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Picka_materina



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Way to miss point 1. It implied you lied you maphacked moron. I also bet you'd 10-0 me on war2 yea, what does that have to do with 3.
ps. Nice fake challenge and newb input about sc2, keep at it.
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Post Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:45 am 
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Shotgun_



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lol you don't even know what happened you "moron", its common knowledge to most good players (not you) i wasn't hacking

The challenge is very real, as is the dodge

I must applaud your new dodge system though, very pro@dodge
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Post Fri Feb 25, 2011 10:02 am 
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7VlesSiah



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quote:
Originally posted by Shotgun_
Messiah you dont even play anymore, you cant make balance comments based on how many people use what race. As for Zerg, i dont really think its common knowledge that TvZ is still imba, ive spoken to alot of really good players who all think Z has the edge now on larger maps, and from my playing experience i would have to agree

PS. Noted Picka_matera dodges 1on1s


Everyone you talk to is terran. You cannot cry imba when every statistic indicates terran is the best race. They are the most stable and consistent race and occupy about 50% of the top teir spots on ladder and leagues.


ie...
Top 20
World rankings: 10 terran
Korean rankings: 10 terran
European rankings: 11 terran
NA rankings: 9 terran

Average: 50% terran



You have no argument for imbalance when the numbers show Terran have a strong advantage across the board.
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Post Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:09 am 
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Picka_materina



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quote:
Originally posted by Shotgun_
lol you don't even know what happened you "moron",

Orly. This never stopped you from running your mouth before.
Embarassed (the blid thread). Nice trolling tho.
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what are you even talking about, blid hacked and was caught quite clearly, are you leader of socx clan?
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