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ghostnuke
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Originally posted by JiGGa_MaN
I dont want Coke to be legal.
Why not?
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Fri May 13, 2005 1:27 pm |
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ThePanacea
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Having a core set of beliefs (morals) and using these beliefs to influence your views on policies is hardly a "sham." My view of the function of government is simple:
The roles of government should include protecting people’s life, liberty and property, as well as efficiently financing projects that very close to 100% of its people want/need. The government should also allow everyone to have a decent shot at economic success (meaning people under 18..) and protect children under 18 (meaning from child porn and drugs, etc).
Imo, nothing more than that needs to be included, and this can govern my view on just about every issue.
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Fri May 13, 2005 1:39 pm |
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ghostnuke
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quote:
Originally posted by ThePanacea
Having a core set of beliefs (morals) and using these beliefs to influence your views on policies is hardly a "sham." My view of the function of government is simple:
The roles of government should include protecting people’s life, liberty and property, as well as efficiently financing projects that very close to 100% of its people want/need. The government should also allow everyone to have a decent shot at economic success (meaning people under 18..) and protect children under 18 (meaning from child porn and drugs, etc).
Imo, nothing more than that needs to be included, and this can govern my view on just about every issue.
That's such a vague statement about government I doubt anyone would object to it.
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Fri May 13, 2005 3:29 pm |
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Aerasal
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Re: Concerning Conservative (in general)
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Originally posted by Bryter-
Exactly. However, its a --or should be-- a two way street. Liberals go around trying to force their economic socialist servitude on hard working people. Not only that, they are taking away free speech (most apparent on college campuses) and liberal teachers/professors (over 90% are liberal) are pushing socialist agendas on students in the classroom.
? ? ok so most educated people are liberal?
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Fri May 13, 2005 4:05 pm |
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Bryter-
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Originally posted by GleiP
In Sweden both the republican- and democratparty are seen as extreme rightwing partys, close to facism..
Facism promotes the state over individual rights. Does Sweden recognize the right against unreasonable searches, the right not to be a witness against him/herself, the right to bear arms? Also, the more you tax for social programs, the more you promote the state over the individual. Its safe to say that Sweden is way more a socialist state than the USA. Hence Sweden is way more Facist than the US.
See, you are being lied to. There is no gray area, its that cut and dry.
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Fri May 13, 2005 6:16 pm |
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Bryter-
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Re: Concerning Conservative (in general)
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? ? ok so most educated people are liberal?
The Educational system is controlled by liberals. And IMHO liberals favor people with liberal beliefs hence its easier to get a job as a prof if you are liberal than if you are conservative. But this is an argument that does not have anything to do with this thread.
BTW, someone did a study of putting identical candidates for positions at universities, except for their political beliefs, and the liberal candidate got accepted over the conservative one every time. But I don't know where I read it at, so I should not really mention it. But I did so anyways. 
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Fri May 13, 2005 6:25 pm |
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JiGGa_MaN
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quote:
Originally posted by ghostnuke
quote:
Originally posted by JiGGa_MaN
I dont want Coke to be legal.
Why not?
Because, I simply dont think its beneficial to anyone. If there was a legitimate positive reason to legalize Coke, I would consider it.
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Fri May 13, 2005 10:30 pm |
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Ocram-OB
Joined: 05 Aug 2003
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Re: Concerning Conservative (in general)
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Originally posted by Aerasal
quote:
Originally posted by Bryter-
Exactly. However, its a --or should be-- a two way street. Liberals go around trying to force their economic socialist servitude on hard working people. Not only that, they are taking away free speech (most apparent on college campuses) and liberal teachers/professors (over 90% are liberal) are pushing socialist agendas on students in the classroom.
? ? ok so most educated people are liberal?
no, you got it wrong. they are liberal because they are educated, not vice versa.
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Sat May 14, 2005 7:20 am |
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-667-
Joined: 21 Nov 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by Bryter-
Facism promotes the state over individual rights. Does Sweden recognize the right against unreasonable searches, the right not to be a witness against him/herself, the right to bear arms? Also, the more you tax for social programs, the more you promote the state over the individual. Its safe to say that Sweden is way more a socialist state than the USA. Hence Sweden is way more Facist than the US.
See, you are being lied to. There is no gray area, its that cut and dry.
you are not very smart =)
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Sat May 14, 2005 7:31 am |
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ThePanacea
Joined: 29 Feb 2004
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quote:
Originally posted by ghostnuke
quote:
Originally posted by ThePanacea
Having a core set of beliefs (morals) and using these beliefs to influence your views on policies is hardly a "sham." My view of the function of government is simple:
The roles of government should include protecting people’s life, liberty and property, as well as efficiently financing projects that very close to 100% of its people want/need. The government should also allow everyone to have a decent shot at economic success (meaning people under 18..) and protect children under 18 (meaning from child porn and drugs, etc).
Imo, nothing more than that needs to be included, and this can govern my view on just about every issue.
That's such a vague statement about government I doubt anyone would object to it.
I think the vast majority of people would. But, perhaps I should add in the word "limited" to make it more clear that those should be ALL of government's roles.
Thus, no restricting prostitutes/drugs, no redistribution of wealth (aside from putting a good amount of money --much more than we are now -- in helping the children of the very poor).
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Sat May 14, 2005 8:16 am |
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ghostnuke
Joined: 03 Aug 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by ThePanacea
Thus, no restricting prostitutes/drugs, no redistribution of wealth (aside from putting a good amount of money --much more than we are now -- in helping the children of the very poor).
What's "very poor?" That's a pretty arbitrary distinction. How can you justify redistributing the wealth to the "very poor" but not just the poor?
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Sat May 14, 2005 12:32 pm |
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ghostnuke
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Re: Concerning Conservative (in general)
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Originally posted by Bryter-
BTW, someone did a study of putting identical candidates for positions at universities, except for their political beliefs, and the liberal candidate got accepted over the conservative one every time. But I don't know where I read it at, so I should not really mention it. But I did so anyways.
That's because liberals are smarter, as shown in this thread by your "socialism =
fascism
" post. You've never been to college, learn to spell.
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Sat May 14, 2005 12:34 pm |
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ThePanacea
Joined: 29 Feb 2004
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quote:
Originally posted by ghostnuke
quote:
Originally posted by ThePanacea
Thus, no restricting prostitutes/drugs, no redistribution of wealth (aside from putting a good amount of money --much more than we are now -- in helping the children of the very poor).
What's "very poor?" That's a pretty arbitrary distinction. How can you justify redistributing the wealth to the "very poor" but not just the poor?
Sorry, I was typing without thinking, my error.
I mean that all children should have plenty of financial and social(?) assistance to have a fair shot at economic success (ie be able to be brought up in a manner that will help kids go to college and such).
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Sat May 14, 2005 4:04 pm |
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{Lashiec}
Joined: 04 Jun 2003
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I'd say many academics in general are able to be overly idealistic and liberal due to never really leaving college. The so called "ivory tower", having never ventured out into the big scary world (for whatever reason, usually inability to make it in their field) they are never forced to deal with the pragmatism of their views.
small example: couple years ago i had a philosophy professor who was relating his experiences in denmark. he took his 4 or 5 year old kid with him - and the danish government insisted on giving him money to help care for the child while in denmark. The professor was genuinely confused as to why a system like that is not in place in the US. His answer of course was that cruel conservatives were in power.
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Mon May 16, 2005 7:37 am |
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Ocram-OB
Joined: 05 Aug 2003
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shut up
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Mon May 16, 2005 3:25 pm |
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{Lashiec}
Joined: 04 Jun 2003
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Ocram - "shut up"
what someone says when they cant prove you wrong.
gg kiddo.
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Mon May 16, 2005 3:58 pm |
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-667-
Joined: 21 Nov 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by {Lashiec}
I'd say many academics in general are able to be overly idealistic and liberal due to never really leaving college. The so called "ivory tower", having never ventured out into the big scary world (for whatever reason, usually inability to make it in their field) they are never forced to deal with the pragmatism of their views.
Do you mean pragmatics?
This paragraph looked real fancy otherwise. It didn't really make sense, but nevertheless fancy. As opposed to the pragmatics of the conservative view (which seems to be cutting taxes from the end that makes the gap wider if you know what I mean) I guess one could say you do not have a clue on what you are talking about.
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small example: couple years ago i had a philosophy professor who was relating his experiences in denmark. he took his 4 or 5 year old kid with him - and the danish government insisted on giving him money to help care for the child while in denmark. The professor was genuinely confused as to why a system like that is not in place in the US. His answer of course was that cruel conservatives were in power.
I always love these examples of professors everywhere saying the most stupid shit. It often makes me wonder are the professors really dumbfucks, or is it more of a case of a student not having a fucking clue on what the professor is talking about. I think I know what I will pick though.
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Mon May 16, 2005 6:10 pm |
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{Lashiec}
Joined: 04 Jun 2003
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damn grammar.
the point i was trying to make, but apparently failed to get across was this: academics with lofty ideals (typically liberal, but could be of any political persuasion) dont have any concept of the real world, and how impractical their ideas are.
and in the example i gave, the professor wasnt a moron, he was just another asshole professor straying from his subject. but thanks for the perspective 667, one day when you go to college you might run into a professor who would be driving a garbage truck if it wasnt for tenure - and then you'll understand.
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Mon May 16, 2005 6:37 pm |
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-667-
Joined: 21 Nov 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by {Lashiec}
damn grammar.
the point i was trying to make, but apparently failed to get across was this: academics with lofty ideals (typically liberal, but could be of any political persuasion) dont have any concept of the real world, and how impractical their ideas are.
I see you go to the same school as our little friend Bryter here.
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and in the example i gave, the professor wasnt a moron, he was just another asshole professor straying from his subject. but thanks for the perspective 667, one day when you go to college you might run into a professor who would be driving a garbage truck if it wasnt for tenure - and then you'll understand.
Oh I'm sorry if you got the impression I have not seen the innards of a college. I don't think I suggested such things. But hey, theres nothing like little children like you telling us how people of academic background suck compared to the real world product that is you.
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Tue May 17, 2005 3:49 am |
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Ocram-OB
Joined: 05 Aug 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by {Lashiec}
Ocram - "shut up"
what someone says when they cant prove you wrong.
gg kiddo.
no it works the other way: either you prove the shit you say is true or you prove yourself wrong. now go and play shut the fuck up.
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Tue May 17, 2005 1:25 pm |
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Bryter-
Joined: 03 Jul 2002
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Re: Concerning Conservative (in general)
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Originally posted by ghostnuke
That's because liberals are smarter, as shown in this thread by your "socialism =
fascism
" post. You've never been to college, learn to spell.
(1)I never said that socialism=fascism
(2)Whether I have been to college or not is irrelevant
See, your arguments are (1) erroneous and (2) irrelevant 
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Tue May 17, 2005 4:26 pm |
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Bryter-
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Originally posted by -667-
I see you go to the same school as our little friend Bryter here.
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Originally posted by ghostnuke
learn to spell
I was reading Gleip's post while writing and he wrote it facist. Getting pretty desperate if you are griping about grammer?
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Tue May 17, 2005 4:36 pm |
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-667-
Joined: 21 Nov 2001
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Re: Concerning Conservative (in general)
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Originally posted by Bryter-
(1)I never said that socialism=fascism
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Its safe to say that Sweden is way more a socialist state than the USA. Hence Sweden is way more Facist than the US.
Hi
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Tue May 17, 2005 4:45 pm |
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Decap
Joined: 22 Oct 2000
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bryter, ocram: go to college newbies
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Wed May 18, 2005 12:05 am |
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ghostnuke
Joined: 03 Aug 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by {Lashiec}
the point i was trying to make, but apparently failed to get across was this: academics with lofty ideals (typically liberal, but could be of any political persuasion) dont have any concept of the real world, and how impractical their ideas are.
Generic conservative anti-intellectual talking point #1.
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Originally posted by {Lashiec}
and in the example i gave, the professor wasnt a moron, he was just another asshole professor straying from his subject. but thanks for the perspective 667, one day when you go to college you might run into a professor who would be driving a garbage truck if it wasnt for tenure - and then you'll understand.
Because colleges grant professors tenure completely at random. You don't have to work for it at all.
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Originally posted by Bryter-
(1)I never said that socialism=fascism
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Originally posted by Bryter-
Its safe to say that Sweden is way more a socialist state than the USA. Hence Sweden is way more Facist than the US.
Do the lies ever stop?
p.s. "facism" lol go to college hick
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Thu May 19, 2005 6:38 pm |
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Bryter-
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Saying Sweden is more fascist than something is not saying that Sweden is fascist. Yea, Sweden is not fascist, but the idea that people in Sweden (as Gleip says) consider the USA fascist leaning or whatever is ridiculous. That's as bad as someone from North Carolina calling someone north of the mason-dixon line a hick.
When you favor the State over individual rights, you are more fascist (or closer to fascism) than someone who favors individual rights over the State. Its nothing personal. If I favor coke being illegal, I am closer to fascism (more fascist) than someone who favors it being up to the individual to decide whether he/she does coke or not.
What's this "goto college" BS? That's where you people are hearing this liberal propaganda pushed by profs with their liberal agenda. See what's going on is the liberal filth is being purged from your mind and you are resorting to personal attacks.
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Thu May 19, 2005 8:06 pm |
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JiGGa_MaN
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My Professors never pushed any form of 'liberal propaganda'. Even if they did, how could they possibly compete with the amount of Conservative equivalent that gets crammed in my face everytime I watch TV, or leave my house.
In Fact, of the 12 different Professors I had over my years at University, 8 of them were self-described Conservatives.
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Thu May 19, 2005 8:59 pm |
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Ocram-OB
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quote:
Originally posted by Decap
bryter, ocram: go to college newbies
whats up?
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Sat May 21, 2005 11:39 am |
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ghostnuke
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quote:
Originally posted by Bryter-
Saying Sweden is more fascist than something is not saying that Sweden is fascist.
You said that Sweden was more fascist than the U.S. solely because it is more socialist. You very clearly made a connection between Socialism and Fascism and no matter how much you lie about it it's not going to change the facts.
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Originally posted by Bryter-
When you favor the State over individual rights, you are more fascist (or closer to fascism) than someone who favors individual rights over the State.
Your interpretation of what favors the state at the cost of individual rights is not the only one. Just because you say "Sweden favors the state over individuals more than the U.S. does" doesn't make it true.
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Originally posted by Bryter-
What's this "goto college" BS? That's where you people are hearing this liberal propaganda pushed by profs with their liberal agenda. See what's going on is the liberal filth is being purged from your mind and you are resorting to personal attacks.
The facts have an anti-Republican agenda.
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Sat May 21, 2005 1:46 pm |
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JiGGa_MaN
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Originally posted by ghostnuke
The facts have an anti-Republican Agenda
ROFL. Touchee!
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