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Jon;
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good post i found
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Introduction
Before I recently wrote about the Western Playoff Races, I hadn't considered how big of a deal the race for the East's third seed would be. I haven't noticed much discussion about this on this sub, and there really should be a lot more chatter.
The difference between the third and fourth seed in the East is huge. The third seed gets to play Washington or Charlotte — both solid teams of course (the Bobcats have come on very strong recently), but obviously more preferable than any of the higher seeds.
Then they get the chance to play Indiana, whose recent struggles are well publicized (to the point where they're no sure thing to get that far).
On the other hand, the team who's unlucky enough to fall to the fourth seed lands in a world of pain: play an extremely good Brooklyn team in the first round. And if you're lucky enough to survive that, you get Miami. The chances of making a deep playoff run are at least 4-5 times higher for the third seed compared to the fourth seed.
Both teams are tied right now in the standings, with a 45-32 record, and five games left for each. Who has the upper hand the rest of the way?
Tiebreakers
Throw out the head-to-head matchups (tied 2-2), throw out the conference records (Chicago has the advantage), if these two teams are tied at the end of the season Toronto gets the third seed every time.
Why? Since they're leading the Atlantic Divison, and the Bulls aren't doing the same in the Central, the Raptors get the benefit of the tie break every time. The same would apply to Brooklyn if they somehow gained two games on this pair, an unlikely possibility.
Basically, Chicago must finish with a better record than Toronto. No way around this.
Interestingly enough, the two teams have all their remaining games on the same day (from the league that brought you a three-way round-robin for the last two Western playoff spots to end the season). Both only have one SEGABABA, both at home v. Eastern bottom-feeders (although Orlando will also be on a back-to-back).
It seems to me, however, that Toronto has a clear scheduling advantage with its remaining games. Not only do they play the two worst teams in the league (along with one that has tried to stake claim to that title in recent weeks), they also get a pair of games against the flailing Knicks — with the road tilt coming on a back-to-back for New York.
The Verdict
Provided they manage to stay healthy and don't start any Indiana-type shenanigans, the Raptors will be favored in every one of these games and should lose one at the very most. Not only will they break the franchise record for wins (47, set twice), they have a good chance at running the table and breaking the 50-win barrier for the first time ever (though they've got a long ways to go if they want to catch up to Tim Duncan).
In a realistic scenario where Toronto drops one of these five games, Chicago must finish with a perfect record. Of course, they've got a much tougher road if they want to do that — a road game in Minnesota (although the Wolves face the Spurs at home the night before), a road game in New York, and the season finale in red-hot Charlotte are all games the Bulls could lose.
They could do it, of course, but realistically they're probably going to drop at least one — in which case they'd need Toronto to fall in two, a much less likely scenario.
Chicago has done well in recovering from what seemed like a lost year, coming as far as to tie Toronto in the standings. But Toronto has the tiebreaker and the much easier schedule, so Chicago should start preparing for another series with Brooklyn (in this scenario, it's tough to gauge Miami's response — will they be relieved they only have to face one of these two teams, or apprehensive because they must face one of the two?)
EDIT: I did not mention Brooklyn as a serious challenger for either the third or fourth seed. They're two losses back and lose the tiebreaker to both the Raptors and Bulls, so they'd need one or both of those two teams to lose at least three games (and go undefeated themselves!).
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Fast Luck
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I'm not sure if that is interesing or not, because I'm not going to read it. _________________ i zero bagged your mother
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
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Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:04 pm |
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Jon;
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Memphis last year: WCF
Toronto this year: possibility for 50 win season
tl;dr trade Rudy Gay = profit _________________ "i don't have pet peeves, i have major psychotic fucking hatreds"
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Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:23 pm |
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Jon;
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hahaha nets sweep the heat , plumlee blocks lebitch for the win _________________ "i don't have pet peeves, i have major psychotic fucking hatreds"
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Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:36 pm |
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Allstar
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yea, clearly hits his hands and not the ball in the replay. lebron is correct. it was a foul.
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foonat
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i agree...lebron got fouled like 3 times on that play. i understand them not calling the 2 reach-ins at that point in the game, but the "block" was all lebron's hand at the rim and should be called _________________
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:59 am |
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Fast Luck
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yes it was a foul. you couldnt see it that clearly live _________________ i zero bagged your mother
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:25 am |
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Jon;
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Isn't the hand considered an extension of the ball?
Yes, that's why Mason's swat isn't a foul. _________________ "i don't have pet peeves, i have major psychotic fucking hatreds"
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:02 am |
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Fast Luck
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon;
Isn't the hand considered an extension of the ball?
Yes, that's why Mason's swat isn't a foul.
that IS the rule but i refuse to believe it means you can just grab someones hand when he's holding the ball and pull their hand away _________________ i zero bagged your mother
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:25 am |
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Jon;
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after the block was made, it doesn't matter. _________________ "i don't have pet peeves, i have major psychotic fucking hatreds"
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:34 am |
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Jon;
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i said before the season brooklyn had a real chance to beat the heat if they stayed healthy -blid laughed , what a dumb ass. they aren't even healthy and swept the heat.. _________________ "i don't have pet peeves, i have major psychotic fucking hatreds"
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:35 am |
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Fast Luck
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon;
after the block was made, it doesn't matter.
that WAS the block.
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Originally posted by Jon;
i said before the season brooklyn had a real chance to beat the heat if they stayed healthy -blid laughed , what a dumb ass. they aren't even healthy and swept the heat..
im still laughing. lololol if you believ that _________________ i zero bagged your mother
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:37 am |
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foonat
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quote:
Originally posted by Fast Luck
yes it was a foul. you couldnt see it that clearly live
the view from around mid-court actually shows him hitting the hand really clearly. it was like a big high five _________________
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Originally posted by smurf_king
i rather be a pedophile than a homo
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:08 am |
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foonat
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon;
i said before the season brooklyn had a real chance to beat the heat if they stayed healthy -blid laughed , what a dumb ass. they aren't even healthy and swept the heat..
half the heat weren't playing either _________________
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Originally posted by smurf_king
i rather be a pedophile than a homo
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:09 am |
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Jon;
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quote:
Originally posted by foonat
quote:
Originally posted by Fast Luck
yes it was a foul. you couldnt see it that clearly live
the view from around mid-court actually shows him hitting the hand really clearly. it was like a big high five
he hit him in the hand after the block was already made, it shows in the gif i posted. _________________ "i don't have pet peeves, i have major psychotic fucking hatreds"
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:16 am |
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Jon;
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hmm u can play around with the html5 version of the gif
http://gfycat.com/SereneTartIchthyosaurs
adjust speed and size, play it backwards and stuff.. _________________ "i don't have pet peeves, i have major psychotic fucking hatreds"
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:24 am |
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Fast Luck
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon;
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Originally posted by foonat
quote:
Originally posted by Fast Luck
yes it was a foul. you couldnt see it that clearly live
the view from around mid-court actually shows him hitting the hand really clearly. it was like a big high five
he hit him in the hand after the block was already made, it shows in the gif i posted.
hitting the hand was the block. take away the contact on the hand and maybe his pinky touched the ball for a sec? there was basically nothing except hand _________________ i zero bagged your mother
quote:
Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:04 pm |
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Fast Luck
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lol the pacers starters are being given a time out
Pacers will start: Donald Sloan, Evan Turner, Rasual Butler, Luis Scola & Ian Mahinmi. CJ Watson is back but will play limited mins
Candace Buckner @CandaceDBuckner · 11m
All five #Pacers starters will sit tonight in Milwaukee
Candace Buckner @CandaceDBuckner · 4m
#Pacers coach Frank Vogel on resting starters in MKE: "We want to try to get the starters on track by getting their legs back under them... _________________ i zero bagged your mother
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:12 pm |
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Jon;
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon;
Isn't the hand considered an extension of the ball?
Yes, that's why Mason's swat isn't a foul.
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:17 pm |
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Jon;
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quote:
Originally posted by Fast Luck
lol the pacers starters are being given a time out
Pacers will start: Donald Sloan, Evan Turner, Rasual Butler, Luis Scola & Ian Mahinmi. CJ Watson is back but will play limited mins
Candace Buckner @CandaceDBuckner · 11m
All five #Pacers starters will sit tonight in Milwaukee
Candace Buckner @CandaceDBuckner · 4m
#Pacers coach Frank Vogel on resting starters in MKE: "We want to try to get the starters on track by getting their legs back under them...
I think their issues go beyond needing rest. _________________ "i don't have pet peeves, i have major psychotic fucking hatreds"
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:22 pm |
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Fast Luck
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Jon it's not REALLY for rest you know? _________________ i zero bagged your mother
quote:
Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:00 pm |
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Jon;
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foonat
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those predictions are stupid. i think OKC vs Heat final _________________
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:35 pm |
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Jon;
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i have difficulty imagining anything other than a spurs / heat rematch at this point. i think they were trying to be bold and not going with obvious predictions. _________________ "i don't have pet peeves, i have major psychotic fucking hatreds"
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:42 pm |
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Fast Luck
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i do not have difficulty imagining the thunder taking out the spurs. i would say the spurs are only slight favorites over okc. and that's not to mention gsw, hou, lac, ... the west is fairly unpredictable. heat already won the east. i thought the pacers would beat them initially. but now ... _________________ i zero bagged your mother
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:23 pm |
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Jon;
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Spurs defense is superior to any team in the west, only team that has a chance of beating them in a series is OKC because of Durant. _________________ "i don't have pet peeves, i have major psychotic fucking hatreds"
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:53 pm |
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Jon;
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:39 pm |
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Fast Luck
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What a retard. _________________ i zero bagged your mother
quote:
Originally posted by Fast Luck
hassan-i-asher: majorin in takin pictures
dreamin bout wayne from catalina wine mixers
listen little friend stay outta the deep end
cuz you're less street than vampire weekend
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:51 pm |
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