Is the U.S. Government crossing the line? |
No. I have nothing to hide and it's in the name of Homeland Security |
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Yes. They have absolutely no business monitoring me |
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hassan-i-sabbah
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
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i dont speak schizophrenia, sorry _________________
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Originally posted by turtleman
A normal person wouldn't say that in real life because it's ridiculous and insulting. Yet here you are spouting the most hateful garbage that your demons can muster out of your darkened soul. All because of the internet.
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Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:08 am |
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turtleman@can
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Posts: 8841
Location: Canada |
I think the government should be working with ISPs to incorporate some monitoring for illegal activity and they should have a method of gaining access through the ISP for personal access to users' accounts to prevent crime but having a giant database of saved data/communications from everybody is a joke - part of why I fucking hate google, it's just a matter of time before the government beats those nerds up and takes the key.
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Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:02 pm |
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Jon;
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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quote:
Originally posted by turtleman@can
I think the government should be working with ISPs to incorporate some monitoring
kill yourself _________________ "i don't have pet peeves, i have major psychotic fucking hatreds"
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Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:11 pm |
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turtleman@can
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Posts: 8841
Location: Canada |
quote:
Originally posted by Jon;
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Originally posted by turtleman@can
I think the government should be working with ISPs to incorporate some monitoring
kill yourself
This could be done by simply screening keywords or sites, ie ("how to make a bomb") and logging this data.
One way or the other, somebody is going to be controlling the data passed through the internet - would you rather have everything logged or just relevant information towards crime fighting - which is the catalyst being used to gather this information.
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Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:34 pm |
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Jon;
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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fuck you retard lol
you're seriously going to argue for giving government more control over the internet right now? _________________ "i don't have pet peeves, i have major psychotic fucking hatreds"
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Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:39 pm |
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turtleman@can
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Posts: 8841
Location: Canada |
Well - I'd rather they have transparent and regulated reasons for interference than just controlling everything and giving citizens the middle finger - which is what is currently happening
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Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:42 pm |
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kublikhan
Joined: 11 Jul 2003
Posts: 2849
Location: Schaumburg, IL |
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Originally posted by article
A secretive U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration unit is funneling information from intelligence intercepts, wiretaps, informants and a massive database of telephone records to authorities across the nation to help them launch criminal investigations of Americans.
Although these cases rarely involve national security issues, documents reviewed by Reuters show that law enforcement agents have been directed to conceal how such investigations truly begin - not only from defense lawyers but also sometimes from prosecutors and judges. The undated documents show that federal agents are trained to "recreate" the investigative trail to effectively cover up where the information originated, a practice that some experts say violates a defendant's Constitutional right to a fair trial. If defendants don't know how an investigation began, they cannot know to ask to review potential sources of exculpatory evidence - information that could reveal entrapment, mistakes or biased witnesses.
"I have never heard of anything like this at all," said Nancy Gertner, a Harvard Law School professor who served as a federal judge from 1994 to 2011. Gertner and other legal experts said the program sounds more troubling than recent disclosures that the National Security Agency has been collecting domestic phone records. The NSA effort is geared toward stopping terrorists; the DEA program targets common criminals, primarily drug dealers. "It is one thing to create special rules for national security," Gertner said. "Ordinary crime is entirely different. It sounds like they are phonying up investigations."
Two senior DEA officials defended the program, and said trying to "recreate" an investigative trail is not only legal but a technique that is used almost daily.
"That's outrageous," said Tampa attorney James Felman, a vice chairman of the criminal justice section of the American Bar Association. "It strikes me as indefensible." Lawrence Lustberg, a New Jersey defense lawyer, said any systematic government effort to conceal the circumstances under which cases begin "would not only be alarming but pretty blatantly unconstitutional."
Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans
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Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:54 am |
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hassan-i-sabbah
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
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rofl _________________
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Originally posted by turtleman
A normal person wouldn't say that in real life because it's ridiculous and insulting. Yet here you are spouting the most hateful garbage that your demons can muster out of your darkened soul. All because of the internet.
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Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:06 am |
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smurf_king
Joined: 07 Mar 2009
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Originally posted by Andrzej
Always happy to touch the sensitive vaginas of clueless >25k post noobs acting like they know what's going on.
lold _________________ http://phoenixtears.ca/
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Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:38 pm |
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hassan-i-sabbah
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
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quote:
Originally posted by smurf_king
i rather be a pedophile than a homo
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quote:
Originally posted by turtleman
A normal person wouldn't say that in real life because it's ridiculous and insulting. Yet here you are spouting the most hateful garbage that your demons can muster out of your darkened soul. All because of the internet.
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Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:51 pm |
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stoned@chayliss
Joined: 21 Aug 2003
Posts: 2427
Location: Indiana USA |
Re: How do you guys feel about this
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Originally posted by terror-kahn
NSA whistleblower Snowden leaks new information about just how much access the U.S. government actually has to our private personal conversations
http://news.yahoo.com/leaked-docs-insight-nsas-searches-153823561.html
what new information
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Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:25 pm |
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stoned@chayliss
Joined: 21 Aug 2003
Posts: 2427
Location: Indiana USA |
quote:
Originally posted by foonat
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
i dont really care much about it. i dont like the purpose it's used for (to defend capitalist america and imperialism, ie to defend america as it exists) though, and i do think the US is being qq babbies over snowden also lol
kinda feel the same way - don't really care since i don't do anything they'd give a shit about and if it helps stop a guy from blowing up my block then w/e
thats coz youre nobody
what if youre somebody. and bigger somebodies would prefer you to go away and not have to deal with you?
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Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:31 pm |
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stoned@chayliss
Joined: 21 Aug 2003
Posts: 2427
Location: Indiana USA |
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Originally posted by terror-kahn
agreed macman .. i think its opens a shit ton of doors for abuse.
anyone ever heard the term "gradualization" ??? government pushing the envelope ever so slightly as to not disrupt the masses. before you know it they have complete control over your life.
pretty much exactly what happened in Nazi Germany. The holocaust was an extremely slow process. 1 step at a time... everything leading up to it was in the name of freedom and security.
it seems history may be repeating itself, and everyone seems to have forgotten what happened just 60 or so years ago.
whether you have something to hide or not, the government has no right monitoring unless there is a reasonable suspicion in my opinion... and if there is reasonable suspicion, they should have to go through the proper steps to acquire a search warrant.
there are many things that may have fled nazi germany and simply continued on in america. sorry and i can give better than that without far to much effort
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Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:34 pm |
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hassan-i-sabbah
Joined: 10 Nov 2006
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quote:
Originally posted by stoned@chayliss
thats coz youre nobody
what if youre somebody. and bigger somebodies would prefer you to go away and not have to deal with you?
You sound really important. _________________
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Originally posted by turtleman
A normal person wouldn't say that in real life because it's ridiculous and insulting. Yet here you are spouting the most hateful garbage that your demons can muster out of your darkened soul. All because of the internet.
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Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:42 pm |
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