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kublikhan
Joined: 11 Jul 2003
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Latest Patch
Cheaper upgrades for toss and an emp nerf for Terran.
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Balance
PROTOSS
Forge
The cost of Upgrade Shields Level 1 has been decreased to 150/150, down from 200/200.
The cost of Upgrade Shields Level 2 has been decreased to 225/225, down from 300/300.
The cost of Upgrade Shields Level 3 has been decreased to 300/300, down from 400/400.
The cost of Upgrade Ground Weapons Level 2 has been decreased to 150/150, down from 175/175.
The cost of Upgrade Ground Weapons Level 3 has been decreased to 200/200, down from 250/250.
The cost of Upgrade Ground Armor Level 2 has been decreased to 150/150, down from 175/175.
The cost of Upgrade Ground Armor Level 3 has been decreased to 200/200, down from 250/250.
TERRAN
Ghost
EMP radius has been decreased from 2 to 1.5
StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty - Patch 1.4.2
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Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:38 pm |
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kublikhan
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I think the toss double chrono forge style is going to get more popular with these changes.
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turtleman@can
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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this seems like it's balancing the game in the wrong way. Instead of making the game balanced , they're just saying "ok, now toss are going to just win because they have faster/cheaper upgrades"
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Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:05 pm |
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7VlesSiah
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I think the upgrade cost is the same as the other races now. It was over priced to start with for toss.
Also, toss is the weakest race right now. Apparently in korea TVP is a 60% win rate for terran. That is a huge gap.
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Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:27 am |
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Sparkz102
Joined: 27 Feb 2003
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patch is out.
also, for this season, there is not 1 terran in top 10 grandmasters
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Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:31 am |
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kublikhan
Joined: 11 Jul 2003
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There is now, Baz just crept into number 10. And that's the sub-par American ladder. On the Korean ladder, half the top 10 is terran.
Grandmaster League Season 4
Korean grandmasters
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Sparkz102
Joined: 27 Feb 2003
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9 terrans in top 50 for grandmasters, 1 in top 16.
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Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:55 pm |
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Kyr.Luoson
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Originally posted by Sparkz102
9 terrans in top 50 for grandmasters, 1 in top 16.
Meh, ladder is all about who can mass the most games not skill or balance.
The reason terran is so low is because terran vs terran games generally last like 30-50 minutes compared to an average of 15-25 for protoss and zerg. Thus alot less ability to mass as many games as the other races.
Tournament results prove how imba terran is. Constantly 70% - 80% terrans in basicly every top 16 gsl, infact i think there has only been 1 PvZ final ever, every other 12+ gsls have always had a terran in the final and most of em been tvt finals.
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Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:17 pm |
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kublikhan
Joined: 11 Jul 2003
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Location: Schaumburg, IL |
Lets not forget that over half the top 10 in the Korean ladder are terrans.
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Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:53 am |
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loneknight
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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top1 in korea is a toss
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Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:00 am |
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Shynko
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the top 2 in korea are terran..
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Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:00 pm |
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DrunkeN
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What sucks is this game is balanced but once HOTS hits it will be unbalanced again. Not to sure I like a new expansion every few years.
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turtleman@can
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I'm kinda meh about SC2 lately. I think the fact that I get so frustrated by losing is what's killed it for me, and that frustration stems from the fact that I don't think the game IS balanced in a lot of circumstances. I used to think that my rage was just because I had some anger issues but realistically, I think it's just because I want this game to be fair and balanced, and I know deep down that it's fundamentally broken in many ways.
I've played lots of RTS games and every balanced one that I've played, I've never really gotten angry. The imbalanced ones, I usually don't care that their imbalanced and laugh it off. With SC2 it's like I've got a supermodel girlfriend that keeps fucking other guys
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the expansion, but I agree that having 3 expansions released over the span of 5-6 years is stupid , especially for a game as complex as this. There's a reason that historically, good RTS games have 1 expansion pack released within a year of the original. The game is already made, they have a year to make it better and just release an expansion pack to 'finalize' it.
I feel like with this structure, they're putting less priority on making a finished product since they know they can just fine-tune and change it as time goes on.
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baRa
Joined: 03 May 2006
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war2 is unbalanced too (lust vs non) but people have been playing it since 95 every game there are some units/races better than others.
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Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:43 pm |
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Rat
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If Blizzard just stop making patches and expansions from now on, people will stop complain about imbalance because every game would be T vs T. Problem solved.
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Kyr.Luoson
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quote:
Originally posted by baRa
war2 is unbalanced too (lust vs non) but people have been playing it since 95 every game there are some units/races better than others.
This is untrue, sure lust is imbalanced if you play humans but orc vs orc it is balanced and makes the game better.
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:39 pm |
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Kith-Kanin
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quote:
Originally posted by Kyr.Luoson
quote:
Originally posted by baRa
war2 is unbalanced too (lust vs non) but people have been playing it since 95 every game there are some units/races better than others.
This is untrue, sure lust is imbalanced if you play humans but orc vs orc it is balanced and makes the game better.
... so then it is true?
Of course war2 is slightly imbalanced, everyone knows this.
Humans sword is ridiculously expensive ($2400 gold??). All they did is go 500g/100w X 3= 1500g/300w And did the same for humans, but it's not a good comparison at all.
Lust is incredibly strong, and runes are nearly impossible to stop.
Lust needed to be about 100-125 mana to make this game perfectly balanced. I also would have like to seen Fort upgrade take longer. Right now, nearly everyone just skips through Stronghold to go to lust.
Sorry I hijacked this SC2 thread.
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:51 pm |
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Kyr.Luoson
Joined: 01 Oct 2008
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quote:
Originally posted by Kith-Kanin
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Originally posted by Kyr.Luoson
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Originally posted by baRa
war2 is unbalanced too (lust vs non) but people have been playing it since 95 every game there are some units/races better than others.
This is untrue, sure lust is imbalanced if you play humans but orc vs orc it is balanced and makes the game better.
... so then it is true?
Of course war2 is slightly imbalanced, everyone knows this.
Humans sword is ridiculously expensive ($2400 gold??). All they did is go 500g/100w X 3= 1500g/300w And did the same for humans, but it's not a good comparison at all.
Lust is incredibly strong, and runes are nearly impossible to stop.
Lust needed to be about 100-125 mana to make this game perfectly balanced. I also would have like to seen Fort upgrade take longer. Right now, nearly everyone just skips through Stronghold to go to lust.
Sorry I hijacked this SC2 thread.
I was just talking about lust. I think how it works is perfect, it adds another layer of apm skill keeping your ogres lusted and catching ogres unlusted..
Maybe just skip to fort but that's part of the game.. I think the timings are quite good
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7VlesSiah
Joined: 16 Feb 2001
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Every time I win a game
Opponent: "You are garbage, I beat you to lust."
Hold is not considered a stage of the game. Something is wrong with the tech timings.
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:26 pm |
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SarX
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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quote:
Originally posted by Kith-Kanin
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Originally posted by Kyr.Luoson
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Originally posted by baRa
war2 is unbalanced too (lust vs non) but people have been playing it since 95 every game there are some units/races better than others.
This is untrue, sure lust is imbalanced if you play humans but orc vs orc it is balanced and makes the game better.
... so then it is true?
Of course war2 is slightly imbalanced, everyone knows this.
Humans sword is ridiculously expensive ($2400 gold??). All they did is go 500g/100w X 3= 1500g/300w And did the same for humans, but it's not a good comparison at all.
Lust is incredibly strong, and runes are nearly impossible to stop.
Lust needed to be about 100-125 mana to make this game perfectly balanced. I also would have like to seen Fort upgrade take longer. Right now, nearly everyone just skips through Stronghold to go to lust.
Sorry I hijacked this SC2 thread.
agreed, can't a map be edited where this occurs and test it out?
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