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Aerasal
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quote:
Originally posted by Picka_materina
Yea, its probably why toss are raping all the tournaments.
cool logic bro
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:09 pm |
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7VlesSiah
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That is the reason Toss are the most popular race. However, they have been nerfed almost every patch while other races have been buffed. The most recent patch gave a major buff to zerg while every other change was essentially a toss nerf.
When you look at the qualifying race percentages from GSL 1 pre-patch to GSL 2 post-patch you see some huge differences. When you look further into how toss is doing at each level it is even more disappointing.
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:08 pm |
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Sparkz102
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quote:
Originally posted by 7VlesSiah
That is the reason Toss are the most popular race. However, they have been nerfed almost every patch while other races have been buffed. The most recent patch gave a major buff to zerg while every other change was essentially a toss nerf.
When you look at the qualifying race percentages from GSL 1 pre-patch to GSL 2 post-patch you see some huge differences. When you look further into how toss is doing at each level it is even more disappointing.
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 3:36 pm |
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turtleman@can
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toss are a newbie race. i get annoyed by how hard it is to calculate a winning ratio of units vs a gateway/robo mass and then flank/micro in order to win when I know some retard is on the other end faceroll building his army and just attack/moving them across the screen.
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:05 pm |
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DrunkeN
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zerg is the "IN" race this patch...wait til next patch then people will switch again.
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:43 pm |
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Aerasal
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currently, zerg is still weak vs T and P in the late game and there's no doubt protoss is stronger than T lategame
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:15 pm |
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DrunkeN
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quote:
Originally posted by Aerasal
currently, zerg is still weak vs T and P in the late game and there's no doubt protoss is stronger than T lategame
please dont ever post on here again, If you think Z late game is weak.
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:04 pm |
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Aerasal
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quote:
Originally posted by DrunkeN
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Originally posted by Aerasal
currently, zerg is still weak vs T and P in the late game and there's no doubt protoss is stronger than T lategame
please dont ever post on here again, If you think Z late game is weak.
they are without question unless you let them out severely out macro you
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:57 pm |
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7VlesSiah
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Aerasal is #1 in his copper league.
Ultralisks pwn everything.
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:22 pm |
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7VlesSiah
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quote:
Originally posted by turtleman@can
toss are a newbie race. i get annoyed by how hard it is to calculate a winning ratio of units vs a gateway/robo mass and then flank/micro in order to win when I know some retard is on the other end faceroll building his army and just attack/moving them across the screen.
You cannot attack move with toss. You cannot even engage without micro because the unit speeds are different. The slowest units, zealots, you want in the front while the fastest you want in the back. Honestly have no idea how you can even say that.
Other problem with toss is that every unit sucks on its own. This means the only way you can engage anything is as one big attacking army. It can become very difficult to defend 4 bases when your army can only be in one place at a time.
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:28 pm |
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7VlesSiah
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GSL S2 final 8:
4 Terran
3 Zerg
1 Toss
final 16:
6 Terran
7 Zerg
3 Toss
final 32:
13 Terran
11 Zerg
8 Toss
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:33 pm |
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turtleman@can
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quote:
Originally posted by 7VlesSiah
quote:
Originally posted by turtleman@can
toss are a newbie race. i get annoyed by how hard it is to calculate a winning ratio of units vs a gateway/robo mass and then flank/micro in order to win when I know some retard is on the other end faceroll building his army and just attack/moving them across the screen.
You cannot attack move with toss. You cannot even engage without micro because the unit speeds are different. The slowest units, zealots, you want in the front while the fastest you want in the back. Honestly have no idea how you can even say that.
Other problem with toss is that every unit sucks on its own. This means the only way you can engage anything is as one big attacking army. It can become very difficult to defend 4 bases when your army can only be in one place at a time.
I was exaggerating a bit. Of course you can't just attack/move across the span of the map but it's much easier to control a ball of gateway units surrounding a few collosus because that army is like an impenitrable fortress no matter where it is on the map. You could go AFK during a fight and it wouldn't make much of a difference.
When I encounter that army, I have to do so in an open area with flanking pref on creep. If I engage that army in anything but less than ideal circumstances it runs me over. Toss don't have to worry about this at all (among the 500 other things they don't have to worry about). Toss are just perpetually building forces, there really is not that much thought behind them at all to play them at a decent level. Their tech structure is pretty straightforward and it's kind of hard to make a bad decision since none of their units really have hard counters.
I'm not saying that they can't be used in an advanced way, obviously top tier players are worried about a lot more about micromanaging, but typical build orders are way too easy to execute and way too hard to stop for zerg. I don't blame toss players because that's how the race is designed but I'd say that 99% of the agmes I play vs toss involve dealing with the same toss strategies. I never see people using variety or strategy because it's usually not necessary.
I think it's gotten a lot better in this matchup for z since the roach buff but it's still up to the zerg to beat the toss player every game.
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:11 pm |
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Aerasal
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quote:
Originally posted by 7VlesSiah
GSL S2 final 8:
4 Terran
3 Zerg
1 Toss
final 16:
6 Terran
7 Zerg
3 Toss
final 32:
13 Terran
11 Zerg
8 Toss
clearly the end all regarding game balance. guess this means terran are four times better than protoss while zerg are only three!!! or it could just be the lack of quality protoss in the gsl atm.
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:18 pm |
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turtleman@can
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I don't think zerg late game is bad at all, the problem is getting to late game and having the economy to actually use zerg's late game units. It takes zerg about 20 minutes to get an equivalent unit to a thor. As far as I'm concerned, if a zerg player's survived long enough to have a strong economy late game, he deserves to win because he's been holding off tier 3 terran units for 15 minutes before he had access to zerg equivalent units, while outexpanding his opponent.
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:23 pm |
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7VlesSiah
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It is clear Aerasal is a newb. What is your unit id and code Aerasal?
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:26 pm |
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Aerasal
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quote:
Originally posted by 7VlesSiah
It is clear Aerasal is a newb. What is your unit id and code Aerasal?
you're just mad you're bad with protoss
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:28 pm |
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turtleman@can
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quote:
Originally posted by Aerasal
quote:
Originally posted by 7VlesSiah
It is clear Aerasal is a newb. What is your unit id and code Aerasal?
you're just mad you're bad with protoss
fightfightfightfightfightfightfightfight
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:32 pm |
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turtleman@can
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im logging on right now to watch
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:33 pm |
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turtleman@can
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messiah get on let's do this
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:36 pm |
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7VlesSiah
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http://sc2ranks.com/us/408948/Meob lollers.. platinum.
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:38 pm |
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Aerasal
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Originally posted by 7VlesSiah
http://sc2ranks.com/us/408948/Meob lollers.. platinum.
lollers over 400 games on my and you lose
till next time, practice up
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:00 pm |
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Aerasal
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believe me, if i had more than 20 1v1 ladder games i would easily be diamond (not that being diamond means anything but since you bring up rank...)
edit: i also tanked several games because i wanted queen of blades icon and i was going to noob slaughter for ezness but i gave that up
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:01 pm |
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7VlesSiah
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um.. most people were diamond after 30 games. It isn't exactly a feat to reach diamond.
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:04 pm |
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Aerasal
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quote:
Originally posted by 7VlesSiah
um.. most people were diamond after 30 games. It isn't exactly a feat to reach diamond.
0-1 with over 400 more games played, teach?
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:05 pm |
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turtleman@can
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messiah was playing like an old man
i want to see the rematch
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:07 pm |
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7VlesSiah
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Laugh. You are a coward. I play you my first game after a month inactivity and a total of about 10 games over 2 months. I don't even hesitate to play you. What do you do? After one game you run away. Very sad and very pathetic.
I am not interested in playing you again, ever. I'm not even interested in 2s or 3s. I play for fun and have no time for your sort of cowardice.
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:14 pm |
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Aerasal
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Originally posted by 7VlesSiah
Laugh. You are a coward. I play you my first game after a month inactivity and a total of about 10 games over 2 months. I don't even hesitate to play you. What do you do? After one game you run away. Very sad and very pathetic.
I am not interested in playing you again, ever. I'm not even interested in 2s or 3s. I play for fun and have no time for your sort of cowardice.
yeah, i've played like 10 game the past month too, so what. i get tired of playing sc2 after a couple games and i really didn't feel like playing again tonight. i'll play you more this week if you're really worried about it, but i honestly don't care who wins. i've hardly played sc2 since its release. it's just fun beating you after you talking shit. and you clearly are an annoying douchebag so don't worry about those 2's or 3's.
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:28 pm |
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7VlesSiah
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You are too much of a coward for my liking. You can cut and run on someone else.
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:53 pm |
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Kyr.Luoson
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Messiah got raped by a platinum newb? I declare you both shit
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Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:33 pm |
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