My opinion is ~800 = good ~1000 = very good ~1200+ = elite

diamond means that you can play the game, counter units, expand etc....

Is there a cap for ladder points or will people just accumulate indefinitely? With the way bonus pool works, if you maintain 1-1 or .500 ratio you will eventually keep going up in points unless there is a threshold where losses lose more than wins win.

Im 950ish and i blow
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lol I blow too but 800+ diamond puts you in top 1% of NA server... top 1% should be good?

I play a lot different on ladder than I do in tournaments. Ladder = test new shit. Ladder isnt a good way to judge someones skill, imo.
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"I tend to thougoughly enjoy my encounters significantly more with 120+ types, as I find them more stimulating. 100-110 people are okay too operating at full capacity." - Paper_Boy

I've completely assraped some rank #1 1k+ diamond players who were pretty bad and then gotten manhandled by 600 pt diamond players who were clearly superior to me. I think that all of the best players are in diamond, but I don't think point totals are a clear indicator of skill. Although I think most people take ladder games seriously as evident by the rage ratio of my opponents. I'd say that at least 50% of my opponents have broken their keyboards in rage. And about 20% of them have added me as a friend afterwards so they could continue to rage and then ignored me before I could respond.

also I am finding that the ladder is not making much sense to me. I seem to lose more pts for losing than when I win and 90% of my games are against higher ranked/higher pt total opponents. I just earned 9 pts for beating a rank 6 1k diamond player and then lost 14 pts for losing to a rank #1 diamond player. Meanwhile I'm ranked like 20 with just under 800 pts.

Yeah happens to me too, as you get higher ranked the stakes are higher and you have to stay at a higher win % to gain points - 50% wont cut it.

But it helps if you let your bonus points build up
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I am 1125, is this good?
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I'd say anyone over 1100 is definitely pretty damn good. 1000 mark can still have some stragglers on a lucky streak or cheese or something. But I've seen loads of people in 800-900 range with hundreds of games play but aren't that good, which is why they might have 5 or 10 times as many games played as me but can't seem to move up in rank / points. I'm currently at 1000 but I'm consistently moving up, as I only have 100 games played anyway, about 60% win. Well, 100 games played on each of my 2 names, which both have about exactly the same win loss record, but one is about 100 points higher due to , well, I guess luck on who I played.
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Also, what server do the NZers and australians play on? how is the competition? US seems decent, obviously behind the korean crazys though

SEA/ANZ
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I wouldn't really say someone is good unless they are above 1400 (If it is a player that isn't already constantly playing custom games vs other top players)

Obviously a lot of the top players who can consistently set up customs vs other good players don't even need to ladder.

That bar was at 1200 a week or two ago and 1k before that.

Due to blizzard's ladder system + bonus pool there is massive inflation which is probably meant to give casual players a consistent sense of progression.

Obviously having a higher win percentage always helps you out more than having a lower win percentage, but blizzard's MMR system is so inflated that you can see people easily get up to the top ranks with roughly a 60% win rate, Because as long as the MMR system keeps inflating and keeps putting you up against other players with inflated mmr similar to your own, you can still get good points even if you are really high points wise.

maybe something like this:

top 10,000 good
top 5,000 very good
top 1,000 elit
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I wouldn't really say someone is good unless they are above 1400 (If it is a player that isn't already constantly playing custom games vs other top players)

Obviously a lot of the top players who can consistently set up customs vs other good players don't even need to ladder.

That bar was at 1200 a week or two ago and 1k before that.

Due to blizzard's ladder system + bonus pool there is massive inflation which is probably meant to give casual players a consistent sense of progression.

Obviously having a higher win percentage always helps you out more than having a lower win percentage, but blizzard's MMR system is so inflated that you can see people easily get up to the top ranks with roughly a 60% win rate, Because as long as the MMR system keeps inflating and keeps putting you up against other players with inflated mmr similar to your own, you can still get good points even if you are really high points wise.

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nalzyman never did have any idea
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I dont think you guys realize the the skill gap between people like those on this forum and people like Huk, KiwiKai, Idra, etc. I don't think there is a single person on this forum who could take a game off one of them in a best of 5.

Compared to Idra and Dimaga, my zerg is completely newb even though I am able to compete vs most high level diamond players.
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Ok w/e you say fanboy, I played Idra 2 days ago and went 3-3. Want my autograph too?
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Well I said 1400+ if you aren't someone that is constantly playing customs vs top players.

But I guess it all depends on your definition of good, if you mean capable of 1v2ing a couple homeless guys, then a lot of people are good.

But as sypher indicated, there is a large gap in skill from a certain group of players and the average person on these forums. It's pretty hard to consider someone "good" when they would have zero chance of beating someone that is actually good.

I like sc2 in that I can beat the hell out of a 200 apm player with my giant balls and brains whereas in bw, I would get schooled no matter what I or he did.

Also sypher I'm pretty sure I would rape any of those players in a bo5 with random on their maps while drinking whiskey and smoking a cigar. Especially Idra, that guy plays like a complete retard. After the rape I would probably stuff him in a locker and put his glasses on upside down.

also doug I want your autograph pref on a mousepad

To many nut riders on this forum. Much like the early war2 days.
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Well I said 1400+ if you aren't someone that is constantly playing customs vs top players.

But I guess it all depends on your definition of good, if you mean capable of 1v2ing a couple homeless guys, then a lot of people are good.

But as sypher indicated, there is a large gap in skill from a certain group of players and the average person on these forums. It's pretty hard to consider someone "good" when they would have zero chance of beating someone that is actually good.

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lol, just now noticed it was Nalzy. Louson beat idra in beta , and I also beat some of those guys in the major tournaments, or at least competed in close games I could have won if I had time to play more than an hour or two a day.

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I also think its hilarious that 'The God' is puffing his chest out as if he is any good. SEA is without a doubt the weakest region in SC2. roffles.
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Well I said 1400+ if you aren't someone that is constantly playing customs vs top players.

But I guess it all depends on your definition of good, if you mean capable of 1v2ing a couple homeless guys, then a lot of people are good.

But as sypher indicated, there is a large gap in skill from a certain group of players and the average person on these forums. It's pretty hard to consider someone "good" when they would have zero chance of beating someone that is actually good.

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lol, just now noticed it was Nalzy. Louson beat idra in beta, and I also beat some of those guys in the major tournaments, or at least competed in close games I could have won if I had time to play more than an hour or two a day.

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Also who cares about beta stories really, beta was beta, people improve, the idra of now is not the same as the idra in beta that was incapable of playing 1 base zerg. The huk now isn't even the same as the huk from IEM a couple weeks ago who was unable to even get past group stages. But I do wish he would use more wind-based attacks

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Also who cares about beta stories really, beta was beta, people improve, the idra of now is not the same as the idra in beta that was incapable of playing 1 base zerg. The huk now isn't even the same as the huk from IEM a couple weeks ago who was unable to even get past group stages. But I do wish he would use more wind-based attacks

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Fanboyism overdrive engaged

Well if you want to say its above 1400 - that's your opinion. I think it's pretty silly to say something like "if you can't beat the best person / people in the world, you aren't any good" - compare that to a real sport / activity / pretty much anything. That's not really how people mean "good".

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nalzyman and sypher are raging because war2 players kinda own shit without even trying

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nalzyman and sypher are raging because war2 players kinda own shit without even trying

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1k now is like 600 a couple weeks ago due to ladder inflation.

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