http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/554901

"Protoss

We have two key changes in mind for the zealot: the build time is being increased from 33 to 38 seconds, and the warpgate cooldown is being increased from 23 to 28 seconds. Zealot rushes are currently too powerful at various skill levels, particularly those that rely on rapidly assaulting an enemy base from nearby "proxy" gateways. We feel the window players have to scout for and fend off this rush is too small. We also want to address the problem of protoss being able to dump minerals a bit too quickly with the combination of warpgates and Chrono Boost.

Terran

There are several changes in the works for terrans. Reapers against zerg are stronger than expected. Due to the zealot build time increase, reapers would be a bit problematic in combination with proxy barracks, bunkers, and/or marauders against protoss. Therefore, we have decided to increase the build time of reapers as well from 40 to 45 seconds. Fast reaper + bunker, or fast marine + bunker rushes are problematic against zerg. Although this rush would never outright destroy the zerg player, we feel zerg suffers too much of a disadvantage from either having to cancel the fast expansion, or getting trapped inside the main base for too long, so we are also increasing the bunker build time from 30 to 35 seconds.

Siege tanks in large numbers are performing too well in all matchups. In the mid- to late-game, siege tanks are too dominant against all ground units. We want a small set of light and unarmored ground units to perform better against siege tanks. With this in mind, we're changing the Siege Mode damage of the siege tank from 50 to 35, +15 vs. armored; to correspond with this, damage upgrades will be changed from +5 to +3, +2 vs. armored. This change reduces the base damage of the siege tank against light and unarmored units, as well as the splash damage.

Battlecruisers currently lack good counters from the ground and still perform very well against a wide array of unit types. We're aware that it is not easy to get battlecruisers out for the cost, but at the same time, it is possible in both 1v1s and team games to create stalemate situations to bring them out. Overall, we feel that battlecruisers are too strong for their cost, and the terran-forced stalemate situations are causing less interesting gameplay. We will be lowering their damage against ground units from 10 to 8.

Zerg

Ultralisk damage is being decreased from 15, +25 vs. armored to 15, +20 vs. armored. This reduction is comparable to the changes being made to the battlecruiser and siege tank. Like the battlecruiser, ultralisks are simply too powerful for the cost, even though they are difficult to muster. Also, in combination with other units, ultralisks are difficult to counter from the ground. The ultralisk building attack (Ram) is being removed because the damage rate is too similar to its normal attack, which will be used against buildings instead. When ultralisks target tightly packed smaller buildings such as supply depots, the Ram attack is actually outputting considerably less overall damage than its normal attack, as Ram only hits a single target."


ROfl @ Terrans

Pretty happy with these changes. I still think there should be a bit more tweaking, though.
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Nice, I think these are good changes overall.
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Looks like I'ma have to rely more on blue flame hellions to deal with hydras instead of relying on tanks so much.
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You do realise that making zealots take 5 more seconds to make, buffs 6 pools an extreme amount against protoss to the point of unstoppable on small maps?

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Originally posted by Kyr.Luoson
You do realise that making zealots take 5 more seconds to make, buffs 6 pools an extreme amount against protoss to the point of unstoppable on small maps?

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Originally posted by Sypher

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Originally posted by Kyr.Luoson
You do realise that making zealots take 5 more seconds to make, buffs 6 pools an extreme amount against protoss to the point of unstoppable on small maps?

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So protoss should have the ability to relentlessly punish zerg early game because newbs would go all in with 6 pool with 5sec slower zealot?

The change will not affect high level play at all.

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Top level players won't use a 6 pool because they know if it does fail/does not do enough damage, the game is lost.

In the current patch, 2gate is very effective vs zerg. Not because it wins the game outright, but because it causes the zerg to cut drone production too much.


Roaches are awful vs toss until tier 2 speed because of the toss ability to switch to stalker and kite.
Spine crawlers have too long of a build time to make them effective, not to mention, they cost a drone.
Bling only works vs a toss that goes double 10 gate without gas. Once toss gets sentries on the field, blings are rendered useless.

You clearly have no zerg knowledge ~_~
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Nerfing seige tanks is BS. Zerg players are such pussies, I still say if you're fast enough zerg are the best race thanks to muta's
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Originally posted by Sypher
Top level players won't use a 6 pool because they know if it does fail/does not do enough damage, the game is lost.

In the current patch, 2gate is very effective vs zerg. Not because it wins the game outright, but because it causes the zerg to cut drone production too much.


Roaches are awful vs toss until tier 2 speed because of the toss ability to switch to stalker and kite.
Spine crawlers have too long of a build time to make them effective, not to mention, they cost a drone.
Bling only works vs a toss that goes double 10 gate without gas. Once toss gets sentries on the field, blings are rendered useless.

You clearly have no zerg knowledge ~_~

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Originally posted by Shotgun_
Nerfing seige tanks is BS. Zerg players are such pussies, I still say if you're fast enough zerg are the best race thanks to muta's

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Originally posted by 7VlesSiah

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Originally posted by Shotgun_
Nerfing seige tanks is BS. Zerg players are such pussies, I still say if you're fast enough zerg are the best race thanks to muta's

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About time they gave it a serious nerf. Should make zealots a bit stronger.

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Originally posted by Kyr.Luoson

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Originally posted by Sypher
Top level players won't use a 6 pool because they know if it does fail/does not do enough damage, the game is lost.

In the current patch, 2gate is very effective vs zerg. Not because it wins the game outright, but because it causes the zerg to cut drone production too much.


Roaches are awful vs toss until tier 2 speed because of the toss ability to switch to stalker and kite.
Spine crawlers have too long of a build time to make them effective, not to mention, they cost a drone.
Bling only works vs a toss that goes double 10 gate without gas. Once toss gets sentries on the field, blings are rendered useless.

You clearly have no zerg knowledge ~_~

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Clearly they don't use 6 pools now for the reasons i just stated in the previous post? After the patch it might be a different story, dont be ignorant people will use the startegy which wins the most.

Yes i know 2gate is effective vs zerg, i use it often myself but maybe in lower leagues the players you come against don't know how to fend it off
It's strong and you can do damage against medium/low level diamond zergs but at the top there not overpowered at all and good placement with 1 spine crawler and zerglings/queens wins it easy without investing too much.

Also a counter is to chuck down a quick roach and just get 3 roaches then go back to normal tech (Only 150 minerals for the roach warren same as that extra gateway the p chucked down)

Your forgetting protoss player will have to invest in zealots heavily to keep any pressure up in the front that extra gateway will slow down your core and zealots aren't cheap at 100 a pop.

You sound like your in the medium levels of platinum, bit of a struggle there is it? Try mircoing your units rather then attack moving.

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Originally posted by Kyr.Luoson
You sound like your in the medium levels of platinum, bit of a struggle there is it? Try mircoing your units rather then attack moving.

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Originally posted by Sypher

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Originally posted by Kyr.Luoson
You sound like your in the medium levels of platinum, bit of a struggle there is it? Try mircoing your units rather then attack moving.

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Yeah man.. all I do is attack move. Ash can testify to that.

Quit QQing.. if you don't understand why 2gate is so powerful vs zerg then I don't know what to say -.-

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Originally posted by Kith-Kanin

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Originally posted by Kyr.Luoson

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Originally posted by Sypher
Top level players won't use a 6 pool because they know if it does fail/does not do enough damage, the game is lost.

In the current patch, 2gate is very effective vs zerg. Not because it wins the game outright, but because it causes the zerg to cut drone production too much.


Roaches are awful vs toss until tier 2 speed because of the toss ability to switch to stalker and kite.
Spine crawlers have too long of a build time to make them effective, not to mention, they cost a drone.
Bling only works vs a toss that goes double 10 gate without gas. Once toss gets sentries on the field, blings are rendered useless.

You clearly have no zerg knowledge ~_~

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Clearly they don't use 6 pools now for the reasons i just stated in the previous post? After the patch it might be a different story, dont be ignorant people will use the startegy which wins the most.

Yes i know 2gate is effective vs zerg, i use it often myself but maybe in lower leagues the players you come against don't know how to fend it off
It's strong and you can do damage against medium/low level diamond zergs but at the top there not overpowered at all and good placement with 1 spine crawler and zerglings/queens wins it easy without investing too much.

Also a counter is to chuck down a quick roach and just get 3 roaches then go back to normal tech (Only 150 minerals for the roach warren same as that extra gateway the p chucked down)

Your forgetting protoss player will have to invest in zealots heavily to keep any pressure up in the front that extra gateway will slow down your core and zealots aren't cheap at 100 a pop.

You sound like your in the medium levels of platinum, bit of a struggle there is it? Try mircoing your units rather then attack moving.

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I don't think a 6 pool will be that effective because you will still be scouting a zerg, and you will see the 6 pool.

So all you do is 10 gate, make the entrance small (ie: 1 zergling wide), and block with 3-4 probes until the zeal comes out.

Same thing protoss has been doing since BW.

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Originally posted by Sypher

Yeah man.. all I do is attack move. Ash can testify to that.

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Originally posted by Kyr.Luoson
Your the one QQing. I actually think it's more likey you suck and get ran over by medium level protoss way too often. The Jons and spbwars of starcraft2. I have agreed in some ways how it is powerful but it's not game winning if you arent a total newbie at zerg

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Originally posted by Sypher

Ash is prob the best protoss on this board, and I think he will even agree with me that 2gate is pretty ridic vs zerg.

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Originally posted by Sypher

Ash is prob the best protoss on this board, and I think he will even agree with me that 2gate is pretty ridic vs zerg.

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Well it's definitely what works best. Zerg still have alot of options that aren't commonly utilized - sometimes I wonder if zergs are just uncreative and won't be satisfied if they can't just macro tier 2 for the win. Zerg balance is fickle because there is such a thin line when zerg can have 15 drones, and 30 seconds later have 30 - and from there can blow up their macro at the slightest mistake or oversight of their oponent. Add to that zerg typically have map control because of how fast all their units are - it's hard to not be scared of the balance tipping just enough for zerg to be beastly (as they were in early beta)

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Originally posted by Sypher

Yes you are correct; however you must also take into account that typically an even matched tier 2 army in ZvP tips in favor of Protoss due to race design(zerg makes a lot of cheap units that die quite easily to toss army).

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hydra are ok if they are on creep, but you typically cant get a good creep spread to be aggressive with hydra early in mid game.

Mutaling is pretty good, but lately a lot of people have been going 2 stargate phoenix after scouting spire, which will rape muta with half assed micro.

I pretty much always go hydra den in case of a 4warp push. Hydras just come out faster and cheaper than muta. The only time I will go muta vs toss is on a map like scrap station or cross spawns on metalopolis. And even then, I typically only do it if I see they are going robo.

Edit: DO is just a stupid map. I have it thumbed down because terran can be extremely abusive with shit like hellions, drops, reapers, etc. Against terran, it is too hard to protect both your main and expansion. Toss is pretty much i the same situation in all MUs, though. So I say just thumb that shit map down
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lower void ray damage to buildings

good siege tanks nerf.
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Originally posted by turtleman@can
lower void ray damage to buildings

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Originally posted by Rat
good siege tanks nerf.

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Originally posted by Rat
good siege tanks nerf.

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I actually think Protoss are the most OP race, not terran.
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ultralisks are now able to tear down planetary fortresses. I thought that was annoying, having 5 ultralisks ripping on a PF and having to micro them to attack the SVCs. From what I understand now they'll do splash damage so you don't have to worry about it. Also I think the BC nerf was necessary. I remember playing a game where one was chillin outside my base , the sole survivor of a huge fight with like 10% health left, and I kept sending small forces at it to finish it off, 20 units later it finally died.

I think protoss are OP too just because they have so many talentless insta-win strategies like DT and VR rushing. I don't think it's right that a single unit should be able to win a game. The only way you can survive an unforeseen DT or VR rush is pure luck.

lol u die to dt rushes

if tman says anything about sc2 (or anything really, but especially sc2) you can pretty much assume the exact opposite is true
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Originally posted by turtleman
A normal person wouldn't say that in real life because it's ridiculous and insulting. Yet here you are spouting the most hateful garbage that your demons can muster out of your darkened soul. All because of the internet.

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