StarCraft II Beta -- Patch 13 (version 0.15.0.15449)

General


* Map Publishing is now enabled: Using the map editor, you can upload your custom maps to share with the Battle.net community.
* Facebook feature is integrated: Here’s a quick way to expand your social network by seeing who among your existing Facebook friends also has a Battle.net account.
* 3v3 and 4v4 formats are now enabled.
* Numerous updates have been made to the Leagues & Ladders system:

o Removed Copper League and added Diamond League above Platinum League.
o Player ratings start at 0, rather than 1000.
o No longer displays loading screen odds in placement or practice league matches.
o Matchmaking system logic updated.

* UDP is enabled to help improve game performance.
* Numerous performance and stability improvements.


Balance Changes


* PROTOSS

o Sentry

+ Force Fields can now be destroyed by Massive ground units walking over them.

o Void Ray

+ Range decreased from 7 to 6.

o Warp Gate

+ Subgroup selection priority changed from 2 to 3 so that it takes priority over Gateways when selected.

* TERRAN

o Marine

+ Stimpack research cost decreased from 150/150 to 100/100.
+ Combat Shield research cost decreased from 150/150 to 100/100.

* ZERG

o Infestor

+ Infested Terran spell removed.
+ Frenzy spell added:

# Costs 25 energy.
# Targets a single biological unit which deals 25% more damage and is immune to snare, stuns, and mind control for 30 seconds.

o Overseer

+ Contaminate spell added:

# Costs 75 energy.
# Targets a single enemy structure which cannot train units or research upgrades for 30 seconds.

+ Infested Terran spell added:

# Costs 125 energy.
# Infested Terrans have the same stats as those previously created by the Infestor and are placed directly under the Overseer when spawned.

o Ultralisk

+ Life decreased from 600 to 450.
+ Damage changed from 25 to 15 (+25 Armored).
+ Damage versus structures increased from 60 to 75.


Hotkey Changes (English Only):


* Zerg Set Worker Rally Point changed from R to G.
* Zerg Spore Crawler changed from W to A to avoid conflict with the Select All Warp Gates hotkey.


Battle.net Interface


* Revamped summary pages for player Profiles and Leagues & Ladders.
* Added a Help system with tech trees and other tips and tricks.
* Removed identifier from the character naming process and added the ability to refer friends for invitation into your party or lobby.
* Updated the Battle.net user interface to consistently use a nested menu system.
* Added in-game blocking and player muting.

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o Marine

+ Stimpack research cost decreased from 150/150 to 100/100.
+ Combat Shield research cost decreased from 150/150 to 100/100.

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Originally posted by turtleman
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League and ladder changes seem good.

The balance changes... wtf?

Someone at blizzard must really really love terran. Neither of those spells needed a reduction whatsoever--only thing I can think is they're reducing them to test the waters for upcoming changes. I dunno.


The zerg new spell seems "ok" but with the ultralisk nerf... I dunno. Ultras seemed to die very fast as it was, with 150hp fewer they'll be pretty weak imo.

Force field change is fine. Allows for opportunities to micro, and gives a reason to build massive units.

Overseers seema little more useful now for hit and runs. A flying unit that can shit out mini-terrans.

Nice that they got rid of the identifier... that was a terrible idea.


All in all a decent patch--I just don't see the reason for the terran changes. Earlier stimpack is not cool.

yeah earlier stimpack is retarded

the ultra actually might be an indirect buff, since now you can use it to break force fields

i think the force field change is retarded though. all a terran has to do is get a thor and force fields are completely useless, since the thor counter (immortal) has no range. would have been a lot smarter imo to just give force fields hp, making it so you can counter them at any tier without them becoming completely useless as soon as someone makes a ultra/thor/colossus
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Originally posted by turtleman
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lol the more i think about the stim and combat shield buffs the more my brain melts. what the fuck are they thinking
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Originally posted by turtleman
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Overseer contaminate could be basically amazing. You get enough overseers and you can completely shutdown production. Almost seems like it could be borderline broken if used by a pro.

Frenzy will be really good and should help zerg a lot.

I don't like the ultra nerf. Seems silly. They died so fast to begin with. They're just too big of a target and therefore too easy to focus fire.


Terrans... I dunno. Blizzard is just out of their mind. I wouldn't have a problem with stimpack being reduced... if marauders didn't have stimpack.

I think if stimpack was removed from marauders terran would be near perfect.

blizzard's explanation on b.net forums was that "terrans have to spend too much on infrastructure to be effective" ahahahahahahahahaha
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Originally posted by turtleman
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Originally posted by Scrubbolator
* UDP is enabled to help improve game performance.
* Numerous performance and stability improvements.

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Originally posted by hassan-i-sabbah
yeah earlier stimpack is retarded

the ultra actually might be an indirect buff, since now you can use it to break force fields

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Originally posted by Fast Luck

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Originally posted by Scrubbolator
* UDP is enabled to help improve game performance.
* Numerous performance and stability improvements.

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Are you gonna stop lagging now Hassan?

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Originally posted by turtleman
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i kind of liked identifiers

So much for my favorite unit the Void Ray. Seems like they will be ineffective as back up in a fight now. Like if you are going against an MMM ball they can't hang back out of vision and they are too fragile to be in target range.
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Originally posted by Kith-Kanin
Overseer contaminate could be basically amazing. You get enough overseers and you can completely shutdown production. Almost seems like it could be borderline broken if used by a pro.

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Originally posted by 7VlesSiah
So much for my favorite unit the Void Ray. Seems like they will be ineffective as back up in a fight now. Like if you are going against an MMM ball they can't hang back out of vision and they are too fragile to be in target range.

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Originally posted by Aerasal
uh, what? how often did that happen when corruptors had the same ability and cost less gas?

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Originally posted by turtleman
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I could see it being good to prevent re-enforcements.Do an attack and freeze a few buildings.
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yeah that too

if it works the way the old "corruption" ability on corruptors worked it'll be especially bad for zerg. back then it stopped larva production at hatches too
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Originally posted by turtleman
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hmmm maybe considering a switch to terran

im pretty baffled by the balance changes in this patch

ummm i think its obvious that before this patch terran bioball was way too weak
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Originally posted by turtleman
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my only thinking is that maybe at the pro level of play where they are doing 300 apm, toss are beating terran by a significant margin. Other thought is that the main guy in charge of the changes favorite race is terran.
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i don't think that's true at all though, seems pretty even to me and terran having an edge if anything. that early marauder cheese rush is almost impossible for toss to beat

probably reacting to tons of void ray whining from terrans who can't use their tier 1 50 mineral anti-air unit, nerfed void ray and thought "lets make marines way better too just to be safe!! wouldn't want terran to lose a game ever"
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Originally posted by turtleman
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its really not a huge buff to the mmm ball, but its just another buff in the face of expected marauder nerfs.

the thing that baffles me most is the overwhelming amount of changes to the zerg race with like 1 week left in beta? or at least "phase 1"

150/150 to 100/100 is really good at that stage of the game. with the money you save from researching stim now you're halfway to researching combat shield

most of the zerg changes sound pretty cool imo
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Originally posted by turtleman
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Dustin Browder, lead designer of Starcraft 2, said internal statistics point to Terran doing the worst of the 3 races in 1v1 and team games. This was 2 months ago, and since then there have been numerous buffs/nerfs to the various units. But it terran are still getting buffs I would guess Dustin still feels terran are weaker in some situations.

As for the zerg, Dustin mentioned they are trying to get some more variety out of the zerg units. Some units, particularly on the zerg side, were seeing little to any use.

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Originally posted by article
What we’re definitely seeing right now is a general weakness in Terrans versus Protoss and Zerg, and this is from stats we have internally. The most interesting thing to us at this stage of the beta is less of what people think is wrong than what we can actually prove is wrong," says Dustin Browder.

"Our internal stats show us that Terrans are down in 1v1 versus Protoss and Zerg, and our internal stats also show us that Terran-Terran teams are also taking a hit in almost every match-up.

- Terrans being down is something we’ve started to address and we’re going to continue to address in the coming weeks, he says.

And, of course, we're still dealing with issues of unit diversity, particularly on the Zerg side.

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dustin browder is an idiot former c&c designer who has a hard on for terran, marauders especially are his personal baby unit

btw thats from 20 days after the beta started, its kinda been months since then. dude probably still thinks terran are weak though

lol especially @ terran being weak vs zerg, what the fuck
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Originally posted by turtleman
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Well, the post I saw said they nerfed the void ray because terran were getting contained by some void strategy. They thought reducing the range by 1 might help out and not affect the balance with pvz much.

I still think it is a joke. I have a lot of trouble vs terran. I've been getting pwned lately be early ghost attacks. The immortal route works but for me is a lot more boring cause you can't really expand till you get a collosus. My experience with it is that you get an early hit with 1-3 immortals that or the terran hits you. Generally you come out even in the battle or toss ahead. 2nd hit favors terran imo and because of that I have trouble expanding. Waiting for a collosus takes too long. That is why I started using voids instead but now they have nerfed it.
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Originally posted by 7VlesSiah
I still think it is a joke. I have a lot of trouble vs terran. I've been getting pwned lately be early ghost attacks.

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Originally posted by turtleman
A normal person wouldn't say that in real life because it's ridiculous and insulting. Yet here you are spouting the most hateful garbage that your demons can muster out of your darkened soul. All because of the internet.

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i don't think the void ray nerf is that bad though, unnecessary but i can live with it. the main reason is probably because on maps like desert oasis void rays could kill your refinery and the terran couldnt do anything because of cliffs. i think it'd be better to not make retarded maps like desert oasis rather than nerfing the whole unit but hey what do i know

i'm just glad they didn't listen to all the noobtards who had suggestions like making the void ray lose charge between targets, rofl
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Originally posted by turtleman
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so bnet is down? = (

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Originally posted by 7VlesSiah
Well, the post I saw said they nerfed the void ray because terran were getting contained by some void strategy. They thought reducing the range by 1 might help out and not affect the balance with pvz much.

I still think it is a joke. I have a lot of trouble vs terran. I've been getting pwned lately be early ghost attacks. The immortal route works but for me is a lot more boring cause you can't really expand till you get a collosus. My experience with it is that you get an early hit with 1-3 immortals that or the terran hits you. Generally you come out even in the battle or toss ahead. 2nd hit favors terran imo and because of that I have trouble expanding. Waiting for a collosus takes too long. That is why I started using voids instead but now they have nerfed it.

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Originally posted by NeRzyMan
so bnet is down? = (

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