Ouch, roach supply cost doubled.

StarCraft II Beta -- Patch 12 (version 0.14.0.15343)

The latest patch notes can always be found on our StarCraft II Beta General Discussion forum.

Balance Changes


PROTOSS
Forge
Build time increased from 35 to 45.
Life and shield values decreased from 550/550 to 400/400.
Mothership
Vortex now removes Force Fields within its area of effect.


TERRAN
Thor
Radius decreased from 1.375 to 0.8125.
Model size reduced to match new radius.


ZERG
Roach
Supply count increased from 1 to 2.
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wow i don't think blizz understands how much of a nerf that is

at least give them 2 armor back

i've always thought they were a pretty good fucking unit to be 1 supply

i'd be ok with them getting 2 armor back if they're going to be 2 supply though
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Yeah that seems like a huuge change, then again people cried about the phoenix a lot when they announced it and I don't think I've heard about it since
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Originally posted by Fast Luck
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They're testing the waters. I could see all the roach nerfs leading into some marauder/stalker nerfs as well. Just to rebalance tier 1/1.5 a little better.

stalkers don't need any nerfs, they're already kind of crappy
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I wonder if the Idra vs tlo had anything to do with it. so did terran just get better again? thors smaller with the same fire power?
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Does making them smaller reduce their range in some directions? If they take up less space they're further away from things on 3 sides.

lings are the only 1 food combat unit for zerg making them far less of a swarm than in original sc.


should i got zerged now become i got terraned

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damn... there goes my go-to move. '=[

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lings are the only 1 food combat unit for zerg making them far less of a swarm than in original sc.

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lings are the only 1 food combat unit for zerg making them far less of a swarm than in original sc.

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lings are technically 1/2 food

its not like they took roaches out of the game

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Originally posted by Fast Luck
Does making them smaller reduce their range in some directions? If they take up less space they're further away from things on 3 sides.

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1 ling is .5 food, 2 lings are 1 food.

just forces the roach upgrades to be researched for roaches to be worth it.

basically the same as marauders/stalkers

Roach patch is good imo

Sick of the 1 base 6 roach rush that zerg do vs protoss, i find it one of the hardest things to fend off

Thor, good change it was to big and dumb looking


Mothership... Um? i hate that unit.. huge gimic unit.. doesnt get used in pro play and is normally only made when massin to 200/200

Should be removed from mutli and replaced with a proper unit

Vortex is one of the dumbest cheapest spells in the game - it's a command and comnquer type spell/unit i guess the idea came from dustin himself /rant


Forge had no problems with the timings? doesnt really bother me but seems a bit pointless? maybe 2 slow down cannon rushes.. but 10 seconds isnt goin do much

The forge is significantly slower. Just played a game with it. Makes it harder to throw up cannons when you spot that you need them. It just makes protoss defense weaker while I guess making cannon rushing less feasible. I don't really like this change. Sort of a newbie saver.
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I've only been playing this a few hours, but I've yet to see a single zerg player. Did Patch 12 scare most to Toss/Terran?
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I've only been playing this a few hours, but I've yet to see a single zerg player. Did Patch 12 scare most to Toss/Terran?

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zerg OP nerf ROACH GG NEWBIES
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Originally posted by kublikhan
I've only been playing this a few hours, but I've yet to see a single zerg player. Did Patch 12 scare most to Toss/Terran?

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hmmm guess i need to figure out what works now. Did a normal FE as zerg and the terran did quick marines which i fought off with some spine crawlers/zergs. Then he proceeds to marine/tank rush me and i can't do shit.

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hmmm guess i need to figure out what works now. Did a normal FE as zerg and the terran did quick marines which i fought off with some spine crawlers/zergs. Then he proceeds to marine/tank rush me and i can't do shit.

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hmmm guess i need to figure out what works now. Did a normal FE as zerg and the terran did quick marines which i fought off with some spine crawlers/zergs. Then he proceeds to marine/tank rush me and i can't do shit.

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what did u try to defend with? roaches with speed and a bit of lings mixed in are probably your best bet against an early tank and marine push, i think. i haven't really played 1v1 in a long time. banlings rape marines in a small mmm ball but im not sure how they are against a significant amount of tanks. mutas are also still really good against T despite thor aoe and range.

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hmmm guess i need to figure out what works now. Did a normal FE as zerg and the terran did quick marines which i fought off with some spine crawlers/zergs. Then he proceeds to marine/tank rush me and i can't do shit.

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what did u try to defend with? roaches with speed and a bit of lings mixed in are probably your best bet against an early tank and marine push, i think. i haven't really played 1v1 in a long time. banlings rape marines in a small mmm ball but im not sure how they are against a significant amount of tanks. mutas are also still really good against T despite thor aoe and range.

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ok here's how it went. I FE'd and he saw so he went quick marines. I fought off with spine crawlers/zerglings. Then he marauder/marine rushed me and i held off again. So he comes with a tank and surrounds it and just picks my shit off so slow. I had roach/hyrda but just got walked on.

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soon as i downloaded it it told me to get the fuck outa here with my failware


when the game starts it tells me my computer is slowing down the game
i get 6-8 fps
pretty sure if any of my hardware(esp my fx 5500) were any older i couldnt run it at all

so what hardware you guys have and what graphic settings are you using and what fps are you getting?

2 year old vaio, i run it on mediumish with some settings on low and some on high after some experimenting to see what works.

decent framerate. it only falls to about 20 fps in a huge game when i click on pylons or try to build something as toss

certain things make me freeze for 3-5 sec when u click on something or use somthing havent figured out which things do it


think im going to play protoss

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Originally posted by stoned@chayliss
certain things make me freeze for 3-5 sec when u click on something or use somthing havent figured out which things do it


think im going to play protoss

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i def. dont think toss are the weakest race. there's some op shit in the game (marauders) but the races on the whole are pretty balanced imo. the big problem is some maps really favor certain races (desert oasis) and some strats and builds counter others so hard it gets kind of rock paper scissors at times

toss is certainly weak in some situations but if you think they're the weakest race i think you're just not playing them right or getting frustrated, no offense (i'm given to the same kind of hyperbole after frustrating losses)
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