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KaNuKs
Joined: 12 Dec 2001
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Originally posted by Darksol
who has this replay? As far as I knew it was warvid. I know for a fact it wasnt the insight we use these days because only valks screen was visible where insight shows all players views? Does anyone have proof that warvid shows the exposed minimap of a hacker?
I think it does, because warvid is really simple it just takes many screen shots, thats why the replay size are so huge. Its not like insight where u save the game data and then u use these data to recreate the game with the game engine.
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Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:20 pm |
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GaNzTheLegend
Joined: 01 Jan 2001
Posts: 8287
Location: Toronto, Canada |
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Originally posted by Picka_materina
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Originally posted by GaNzTheLegend
wrong, i've seen it in some other replays I watched. It appears to be a bug. Also, when you watch replays and you are orc it will give the human sound effects and vice versa thus showing that bugs do exist in these replays and you cannot jump to such conclusions.
You're retarded.
And i know Laalaa even confirmed theres no possible way something like that happened because of a bug in insight.
But keep on sucking that cock tho.
show me proof he said that.
k thx
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Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:57 pm |
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Ywfn
Joined: 30 May 2001
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Originally posted by GaNzTheLegend
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Originally posted by Picka_materina
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Originally posted by GaNzTheLegend
wrong, i've seen it in some other replays I watched. It appears to be a bug. Also, when you watch replays and you are orc it will give the human sound effects and vice versa thus showing that bugs do exist in these replays and you cannot jump to such conclusions.
You're retarded.
And i know Laalaa even confirmed theres no possible way something like that happened because of a bug in insight.
But keep on sucking that cock tho.
show me proof he said that.
k thx
Isn't it more likely that you’re both wrong? It is possible, though remotely unlikely, that a bug could cause this, and that this particular replay wasn't bugged. That the most likely scenario is some people are just mistaken as to whether or not you could view the other player in this replay?
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Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:31 pm |
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Ywfn
Joined: 30 May 2001
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Originally posted by Picka_materina
Check http://home.arcor.de/jelis/faq.html
Last question/answer on page. Also he confirmed this via a chat.
Keep sucking that knob tho.
@ywfn
No, not possible.
That question talks about a bugs that could potentially give you the illusion that the person would be hacking, but that they weren't really.
I thought Ganz was talking about a bug where Insight doesn't give you shared vision for all the players; just for one of the players.
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Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:47 pm |
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KaNuKs
Joined: 12 Dec 2001
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Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada |
If that was a bug, it would miraculously have happened into many of valkrie's games before he got caught, but in none of them after. That's a strange selective bug. :/
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Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:03 pm |
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Ywfn
Joined: 30 May 2001
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Originally posted by KaNuKs
If that was a bug, it would miraculously have happened into many of valkrie's games before he got caught, but in none of them after. That's a strange selective bug. :/
I was only responding to his post. I don't actually think that is what happened.
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Originally posted by Ywfn
Isn't it more likely that you’re both wrong? It is possible, though remotely unlikely, that a bug could cause this, and that this particular replay wasn't bugged.
That the most likely scenario is some people are just mistaken as to whether or not you could view the other player in this replay?
Dude, I'm pretty sure we're in agreement on this.
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Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:15 pm |
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GaNzTheLegend
Joined: 01 Jan 2001
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Location: Toronto, Canada |
Fact is, no matter what ANYONE says its an UNOFFICIAL replay software that has no guarantees as to its reliability. I have seen other replays of this same thing happeneing which means that likely it is a bug that has to do with some actions that occur in the game. I encourage someone out there with the hacks to try and reproduce this bug with the hacks on and post the replay and explain what they did, and then I will be more inclined to believe that he was infact hacking in that game. As the old saying goes, innocent until proven guilty.
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Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:03 pm |
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Darksol
Joined: 23 Nov 2001
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are u kidding?
first of all we all know how reliable "official" software is (how many times does it take blizzard to get their games right, oh they dont)
And you just said innocent until proven guilty? hahaha so what proof will you beleive? Obviously numerous denied ss's, replays that show you building in black areas and months of suspicious play dont qualify as proof.
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Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:40 pm |
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GaNzTheLegend
Joined: 01 Jan 2001
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Originally posted by Darksol
are u kidding?
first of all we all know how reliable "official" software is (how many times does it take blizzard to get their games right, oh they dont)
And you just said innocent until proven guilty? hahaha so what proof will you beleive? Obviously numerous denied ss's, replays that show you building in black areas and months of suspicious play dont qualify as proof.
As far as I know there were no denied ss's and many players on the forums have according to sources denied ss's on several occasions (kingmage, kanuks, shotgun, etc) and are still viewed as legit by most people. I will believe it when someone takes up my challenge. Anyone out there with hacks, try and reproduce what happened in that replay with hacks (building in the fog) then I will be more inclined to believe it.
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Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:50 pm |
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GaNzTheLegend
Joined: 01 Jan 2001
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First of all, I don't even know Valkrie and have only played him once along time ago in a ladder game.
However, before you go and associate "Building in the fog" on a replay with map hacking, you should first prove that by using hacks you in fact can build in the fog on replays. Not jump to some wild accusations that you hope are true to explain why he has owned you so much in the past.
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Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:21 pm |
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Ywfn
Joined: 30 May 2001
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Originally posted by Picka_materina
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Originally posted by Ywfn
I thought Ganz was talking about a bug where Insight doesn't give you shared vision for all the players; just for one of the players.
Not sure what does that have to do with valk's hacking? EVEN if that isn't so (which is not), this was in a totally unexplored area. I'm failing to see the relevance?!
Absolutely nothing. I thought this discussion was stemming from this original post:
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Originally posted by Darksol
who has this replay? As far as I knew it was warvid. I know for a fact it wasnt the insight we use these days because only valks screen was visible where insight shows all players views? Does anyone have proof that warvid shows the exposed minimap of a hacker?who has this replay? As far as I knew it was warvid. I know for a fact it wasnt the insight we use these days because only valks screen was visible where insight shows all players views? Does anyone have proof that warvid shows the exposed minimap of a hacker?
To which, my response:
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Originally posted by Ywfn
That the most likely scenario is some people are just mistaken as to whether or not you could view the other player in this replay?
makes more sense. I'm not saying anything about the validity of the proof, just discussing what recording utility was used, and I'm pretty sure it was insight. Probably should have made that more clear from the beginning.
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Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:07 pm |
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KaNuKs
Joined: 12 Dec 2001
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Originally posted by GaNzTheLegend
Fact is, no matter what ANYONE says its an UNOFFICIAL replay software that has no guarantees as to its reliability. I have seen other replays of this same thing happeneing which means that likely it is a bug that has to do with some actions that occur in the game. I encourage someone out there with the hacks to try and reproduce this bug with the hacks on and post the replay and explain what they did, and then I will be more inclined to believe that he was infact hacking in that game. As the old saying goes, innocent until proven guilty.
Im not sure if i remember well, but isnt there some peoples from these boards that tested the whole thing with hack and reproduced the bug? I can't remember the names though, maybe bizatch or sum1 like that...
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Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:08 pm |
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GaNzTheLegend
Joined: 01 Jan 2001
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I think that was when people tested if you were visioned by a hacker you could see subs, not building in the fog.
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:44 am |
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GaNzTheLegend
Joined: 01 Jan 2001
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Originally posted by Lightbringer-
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Originally posted by GaNzTheLegend
I think that was when people tested if you were visioned by a hacker you could see subs, not building in the fog.
Ganz just stfu newbie. Your point does not make any fucking sense. It is impossible to issue a build command in a black area without hacking. Try proving that wrong and we will say valkrie did not hack.
If its as rare as it was, it would take thousands of games to reproduce it. However, if it was done by hacking, it would take only 1 game. So therefore stfu you dumbass use some logic here please.
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:20 am |
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KaNuKs
Joined: 12 Dec 2001
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Well it happened like in every games into which valk had some sort of superior intuition.
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:12 pm |
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GaNzTheLegend
Joined: 01 Jan 2001
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It only happened in two I think and I have seen it alot in other recorded games, so it is still unknown. If someone could test it and once and for all settle this it would be good.
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 4:31 pm |
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KaNuKs
Joined: 12 Dec 2001
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In 2? You are wrong dude. There was many peoples that watched valk's old replay and there was a big amounts of them.
Also, its hard to have a replay showing hacking because u need the hacker to build trough fog early on or else there is too many peons making sounds and its more difficult to notice. Now, hackers are aware and never builds trough fog. I remember kingmage always scouted a spot before building, he looked like being very aware because he would always overscout the spot. That was fun to see his 6-8 dual, he made sure he scouted well enough before building rax smith and mill. That was the case for all the buildings he built in his 2nd base from a peon coming from his first base. This kid hacked so blatantly at times.
So now, with hackers being aware, its more difficult to catch a map hacker this way. Warvideo seems better. Well, you will never catch a hacker with warvid since no hackers would send a replay that shows himself hacking, but you will prevent peoples from hacking. Although the hacker may not send the replay like they wont send a ss. But if the 2 players agreed to rec using warvid and one of the 2 players refuses to send after the game, he is definately either a hacker or a big dumbass.
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:11 pm |
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lolster_
Joined: 10 Jul 2005
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so u send warvids after the game is played, kinda like asking someone to take an ss and send after the game, and if that person doesnt send he is " either " a hacker or a big dumbass", well you have done that ( ss's not warvid) and I would categorize you (kanuks) as both a hacker and a huge dumbass who has denied screens asked of him, the rest I will leave alone.
I also saw you allying valkrie the other night, after u come on these forums and dog his credability when he posted on how u denied him a set of ss's, obviously his credability is enough for you to ally him. =[
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Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:14 pm |
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turtleman@can
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rofl
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Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:09 pm |
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KaNuKs
Joined: 12 Dec 2001
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How can u say i denied ss when u have no proof? Its my words vs valk and ryan's word. You prefer to believe 2 scrubs that accused me because they were jealous. You are a dumbass. Btw valk refused to play me on igl using warvid.
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Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:10 pm |
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GaNzTheLegend
Joined: 01 Jan 2001
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Originally posted by KaNuKs
How can u say i denied ss when u have no proof? Its my words vs valk and ryan's word. You prefer to believe 2 scrubs that accused me because they were jealous. You are a dumbass. Btw valk refused to play me on igl using warvid.
That is understandable cuz I tried warvid before and it lags my computer(my comp is very old).
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Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:45 pm |
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lolster_
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I also saw you allying valkrie the other night, after u come on these forums and dog his credability when he posted on how u denied him a set of ss's, obviously his credability is enough for you to ally him. =[
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Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:47 pm |
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KaNuKs
Joined: 12 Dec 2001
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??!!??!?!? I know he doesnt hack now. Why woulndt i ally him?
Oh and plz u seem to always "see me do somehting last night". Stop smurfing idiot. I guess u are the stupid hacking spoof starting fake rumors about me all the time.
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Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:37 pm |
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Strapping Young Lad
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laughing at loud @ kanuks
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Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:56 pm |
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JiGGa_MaN
Joined: 26 Nov 2002
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Some of you may remember me saying that I had downloaded a hack called 'warcrap 4.0' a few years ago, and experimented with it in single player and public games.
Using this particular hack, I was unable to issue a build order outside of the fog. This obviously proves nothing since to my knowledge there are several maphack variations available. However, the only hack I've tried did not allow building in fog.
Obviously this dosnt make Valk guity, or innocent. Just sharing the little tidbit I picked up from personal experience.
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