btw you visit soths grave lately, little bitch.

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Man $10 an hour for adults? $12-$18 for tradesmen? Good tradies are on roughly 60-100 here.

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americans are fucking retarded and their political beliefs are fueled by resentment and crab mentality, people like scrub spent most of their lives working shit jobs then one day they're making $12/hr instead of 8 and all of a sudden their working class comrades are lazy fucking bums who don't deserve shit

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really? im glad im not who you describe, but jons point hit home. ok they cant afford to live on min wage, but who can? you go up the ladder n are replaced by newbs.. smh..

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A normal person wouldn't say that in real life because it's ridiculous and insulting. Yet here you are spouting the most hateful garbage that your demons can muster out of your darkened soul. All because of the internet.

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where is the money going to come from payin min wage workers 150 more a week.. n if they raise others wages..i just dont get it

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americans are fucking retarded and their political beliefs are fueled by resentment and crab mentality, people like scrub spent most of their lives working shit jobs then one day they're making $12/hr instead of 8 and all of a sudden their working class comrades are lazy fucking bums who don't deserve shit

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really? im glad im not who you describe, but jons point hit home. ok they cant afford to live on min wage, but who can? you go up the ladder n are replaced by newbs.. smh..

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you have brain damage

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where is the money going to come from payin min wage workers 150 more a week.. n if they raise others wages..i just dont get it

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good troll, outta thin air adding to our debt or idk woulda sufficed.

what do you know about the debt smart guy
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I never really thought about actually working a minimum wage job after I finished school.

I think some of the problem is perhaps some people don't finish highschool or go to college, and yet expect to be making more than minimum wage ?
But also the wage structure in a lot of companies is really messed up.

I know an engineer fresh out of school who will be making $68,000/year, plus pension, bonus, and health care and that's the expectation for someone with those degrees. Education helps.

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I never really thought about actually working a minimum wage job after I finished school.

I think some of the problem is perhaps some people don't finish highschool or go to college, and yet expect to be making more than minimum wage?
But also the wage structure in a lot of companies is really messed up.

I know an engineer fresh out of school who will be making $68,000/year, plus pension, bonus, and health care and that's the expectation for someone with those degrees. Education helps.

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Not everyone can be an engineer. And I don't just mean that in terms of an individual's intellectual ability.

I mean our society wouldn't function if everyone decided to be an engineer. We need people to work at cash registers, to prepare food, to clean, to paint. A solution (like 'people should go to school!') isn't a solution if it's not something everyone/anyone can do. Everyone going to school and getting better jobs than manual labor or whatever isn't a solution because society would be fucked. The people that do these jobs must do them and they deserve to be able to make a wage on which they can live.

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fair wages would be a lot higher than what they are now but what does raising minimum wage do when businesses just increase their price to compensate for it

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why do people have this idea that the only economic effect of raising the minimum wage is all the businesses in the country exactly calculating how much money it will cost them and then passing it on to consumers. like are you guys really so dense you can't understand how raising the minimum wage has other effects on the economy besides making your value meal cost 30 cents more maybe (emphasis on maybe, everyone just assumes this is how things work but there's not a great deal of evidence to support it)

remember when the minimum wage was introduced in the US and it only made the great depression worse because no one could buy the super expensive stuff in the stores now? me neither

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americans are fucking retarded and their political beliefs are fueled by resentment and crab mentality, people like scrub spent most of their lives working shit jobs then one day they're making $12/hr instead of 8 and all of a sudden their working class comrades are lazy fucking bums who don't deserve shit

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A fair minimum wage would be much, much higher than what it is now, but do you think the largest minimum wage employers (mcdonalds, kohls, walmart) in the country will really allow it to cut into their profits. they'll just fire workers or increase prices. I support less income inequality and think people should partially be paid for their age, but I don't think slightly increasing minimum wage changes much.

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I don't assume that. I just remember as a kid every place that employed minimum wage work increased their prices immediately after minimum wage went up. I don't know the exact affects it has on the economy, but it seems negligible if half the cost of living goes up with it.

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A fair minimum wage would be much, much higher than what it is now, but do you think the largest minimum wage employers (mcdonalds, kohls, walmart) in the country will really allow it to cut into their profits. they'll just fire workers or increase prices. I support less income inequality and think people should partially be paid for their age, but I don't think slightly increasing minimum wage changes much.

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A normal person wouldn't say that in real life because it's ridiculous and insulting. Yet here you are spouting the most hateful garbage that your demons can muster out of your darkened soul. All because of the internet.

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Man $10 an hour for adults? $12-$18 for tradesmen? Good tradies are on roughly 60-100 here.

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americans are fucking retarded and their political beliefs are fueled by resentment and crab mentality, people like scrub spent most of their lives working shit jobs then one day they're making $12/hr instead of 8 and all of a sudden their working class comrades are lazy fucking bums who don't deserve shit

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Good post. This is pretty much true. However, Union tradesmen make significantly more than non-union. I'm assuming scrub is either an apprentice of some kind, or a scab. Regardless, $10 minimum wage is still poverty. $12-$18/hour is still pretty much poverty. If you're making less than 40k in the US you're not living well at all.

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I see proof daily that a lot of jobs that used to be minimum wage can afford to pay more and stay in business. In this area, there is a big oil boom going on. All fast food places are having trouble just getting people to apply because there are so many more lucrative jobs in the oil field. McDonalds for example advertises 14-16/hr. The prices have stayed relatively constant for the food. I'm not saying that this local area is proof that it can work everywhere but it is proof that it does work in at least this market.

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i don't know any kids who actually pay attention to that shit, but assuming your anecdote here is true, the larger economic data does not substantiate it. economic data has consistently shown that the wage increase from a minimum wage hike tends to outweigh any increase in commodity prices. minimum wage workers don't make up the entirety of a company's costs, they don't know exactly how much to increase prices to offset that cost, and there are lots of other factors at play besides just employee wages that factor into cost. for some reason every time the minimum wage comes up people assume the only pressure on commodity costs are labor costs and absolutely nothing else, and also assume that a minimum wage increase takes place in this kind of weird economic vacuum where it has no effect on the economy EXCEPT making prices go up

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mcdonalds and wal-mart couldn't just fire half their minimum wage workforce, they would collapse. they can easily afford a minimum wage increase, they make billions in profits. even if their prices do go up slightly, why are you so concerned? would it be such a bad thing if mcdonald's or wal-mart (both of whom are already not that cheap, actually) cost a little more? of course, this is probably where you would say raising the minimum wage would have a ripple effect, which is really funny because to you and most of the people presenting anti-raising the wage arguments here, minimum wage has no other ripple effects on the economy whatsoever except making our corporate gods angry so we have to keep sacrificing calves in the form of working class americans at their altar to keep them happy enough to keep giving us $1 mcdoubles

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mcdonalds and wal-mart couldn't just fire half their minimum wage workforce, they would collapse. they can easily afford a minimum wage increase, they make billions in profits. even if their prices do go up slightly, why are you so concerned? would it be such a bad thing if mcdonald's or wal-mart (both of whom are already not that cheap, actually) cost a little more? of course, this is probably where you would say raising the minimum wage would have a ripple effect, which is really funny because to you and most of the people presenting anti-raising the wage arguments here, minimum wage has no other ripple effects on the economy whatsoever except making our corporate gods angry so we have to keep sacrificing calves in the form of working class americans at their altar to keep them happy enough to keep giving us $1 mcdoubles

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in order to maximize profits big companies have already fired as many people as they want to. i guess higher minimum wage could lead them to let go some borderline profitable employees, but you have to think most people they can do without theyve already let go.
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why do people have this idea that the only economic effect of raising the minimum wage is all the businesses in the country exactly calculating how much money it will cost them and then passing it on to consumers. like are you guys really so dense you can't understand how raising the minimum wage has other effects on the economy besides making your value meal cost 30 cents more maybe (emphasis on maybe, everyone just assumes this is how things work but there's not a great deal of evidence to support it)

remember when the minimum wage was introduced in the US and it only made the great depression worse because no one could buy the super expensive stuff in the stores now? me neither

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U.S. businesses have never had it so good. Corporate cash piles have never been bigger, either in dollar terms or as a share of the economy.

The strength (in profits) is directly related to the weakness in hourly wages, which are still growing at just a 2% nominal pace. The weakness of wages and the resulting strength of profits are telling signs that the US labor market is still far from full employment. Companies have managed to boost profits beyond anything ever seen before because they've got away with employing as few workers as possible at as low a rate as possible.

So, corporate profits are their highest ever and wage growth is near its lowest in half a century. But don't expect the transfer of that cash from businesses to workers to start any time soon, says Hatzius:

"The bottom line is that the favorable environment for corporate profits should persist for some time yet, and the case for an acceleration in the near term is strong. Hourly labor costs would need to grow more than 4% to eat into margins on a systematic basis. Such a strong acceleration still seems to be at least a couple of years off."

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The U.S. is fucked. I cant see how a moral person can be so against the government trying to protect workers when they are clearly being exploited.

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The U.S. is fucked. I cant see how a moral person can be so against the government trying to protect workers when they are clearly being exploited.

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Yeah I know people who don't think minimum wage should be $12-15 an hour because that's what they make and they either are a skilled tradesmen or have a college degree. It's such a shit mentality. Just because they are only making $25-30k a year doesn't mean it should be that way for them and everyone under them should be living below the poverty line.

wtf do you mean by scab? n corporations always could afford to pay employees more, goods will still go up and the min wage going up will be placebo.

You're fucking stupid if you think that.

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It can easily be absorbed by the company. Minimum wage employees only make up a small percentage of total cost of running any major company. Prices would increase but not at a 1:1 ratio as the percentage increase in wages. I feel like some people here haven't taken an accounting course in their life.

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Yes because if you raise the price of an input then every company would simply go out of business instead of adjusting its cost/price structure.

That is one old ass walmart picture

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the workforce of 1.3 million includes Walmart employees of all stripes, including truck drivers throughout the country and executives at corporate headquarters in Bentonville, Ark. The more relevant number would be Walmart's roughly one million store workers. more than 475,000 Walmart associates earned a salary over $25,000 last year.

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